>We need AI to get rid of the middle man
>Makes AI the new middle man
I love American business culture
that is at least reducing the number of middle men
Needs a third panel with a tech bro telling investors that’s why his company is worth a trillion dollars.
Meat proxies we have become
My team leader now wants weekly reports that he gives to his boss who I’m guessing gives them to AI to digest. It feels like we’re all just putting on a sock puppet show and pretending it’s real.
Was it ever real? I think AI is just exposing how nonsense it all has been for the past 40 to 70 years. This whole corporate culture mindset was built by people who used work to avoid their family and golfed or drank their way through lunch.
More than 5% of the people alive today got to work jobs in a time before weekly status reports, organizational key results, year end reviews and stacked ranking. There are even worse things from before those so going back isn’t the answer. We need to build a new work culture and we should not feel that what we have today is just how it is.
It’s even funnier now though because I’ve started including a summary section…“this week I saved the company and outperformed everyone else”…I should get a promotion soon 😭😭😭😭
I feel like I’m too autistic for this shit. I’m an engineer and just send out the bullet points. Why are we wasting everyone’s time with this overly verbose garbage? What happened to celebrating brevity? Just give us the 24 hr work week and give up this farce.
Same but I’m playing the stupid ass game. Would prefer to do my work and use notepad to give you a list of things I did. Now it’s a formatted report with a summary that said I did all the things.
There is an idea among the neurotypicals that longer is better, in part because the academic environment rewards length. More words is more better.
Yup. “This meeting could have been an email” is evergreen.
I would like to do this, but many people want the fluff and sparkles.
I have received compliments from coworkers about my AI slop, and I told them, “You know that I just feed a list of bullet points into an AI, right?”
They were happy anyway. It will probably take some time before everyone gets over the ‘wonders’ of AI. Until that day, I give them what they want.
Yup. People don’t like to admit that a huge percentage of corporate “work” is performative
Yeah i do this. Whenever i try to write in paragraphs the recipient ends up not responding to half of it. It’s like they reach the first question and stop reading.
This AI expansion and summarization reminds me of when translation online was new and you’d translate something then translate it back and get a totally different thing.
I changed to bullet points to try and avoid this, didn’t much help the situation. people read the first point to the third level deep and didn’t go past, instead of skimming all the top level bullet points and then going deeper as appropriate into each one
ex:
- I hear X is a problem
– is it because of Y or Z?
— if Y, our options are A and B
— if Z, our option is C
there’d be four items like that, people wouldn’t read past the first. I gave up and now just leave items as perpetually open pending a decision from the people who didn’t answer, or I make a decision and then get all pissy with everyone when they come back and ask “well what about ___” like MF I WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE EMAIL BUT Y’ALL MFS NEVER RESPOND TO THEM SO DON’T FUCKING ASK ME QUESTIONS NOW
Online translators seem to have gotten a lot better! Your comment, translated to Mandarin and back:
是的，我也会这样做。每次我尝试分段落写东西，收件人最后都会有一半内容没有回应。感觉他们读到第一个问题就停止阅读了。
这种 AI 扩写和总结让我想起了早期网络翻译刚出现的时候：你把一段话翻译成另一种语言，再翻译回原来的语言，结果得到的内容却完全变了。
Yes, I do this too. Whenever I try to write something in paragraphs, the recipient inevitably ends up not responding to half of what I wrote. It feels like they get to the first question and just stop reading.
This AI expansion and summarization reminds me of the early days of online translation, when you could translate something into another language and then translate it back, only to end up with something completely different.
This also applies to job applications and resumes.
I hate this so much. I have to read project applications and final reports for a living and in the past years this has become a very tedious endeavor. I recognize this shit after two paragraphs and it’s so annoying!
The joke is that the ten bullet points at the end are completely different from the ten bullet points that started it all.
I hope researchers somewhere are quantifying exactly how different they are.
It’s a game of Chinese-room whispers.
That sounds racist… right?
Time to think of a new name? Like we dont call Brazilian nuts by their “other” name anymore.
Edit: oh, I cant compare those?
Well how about a different term that has fallen out of use: “sitting Indian style”. Yea we dont call it that anymore, even if it was common childhood name. We grow up, we recognize that unnecessary racial assignment is a racist.
So, no, I dont think the defense of “thats just we called it as kids” is a valid reason to keep saying it today. Youre just perpetuating “thats just how people talked”, “its from a different time” normalization and casual racism.
The original thought experiment was about Chinese, so it’s more of a reference than deliberate racism. It’s a famous philosophical debate about whether A.I. can be conscious, or if it just simulates understanding.
Imagine a native English speaker who knows no Chinese locked in a room full of boxes of Chinese symbols (a data base) together with a book of instructions for manipulating the symbols (the program). Imagine that people outside the room send in other Chinese symbols which, unknown to the person in the room, are questions in Chinese (the input). And imagine that by following the instructions in the program the man in the room is able to pass out Chinese symbols which are correct answers to the questions (the output). The program enables the person in the room to pass the Turing Test for understanding Chinese but he does not understand a word of Chinese.
Searle goes on to say, “The point of the argument is this: if the man in the room does not understand Chinese on the basis of implementing the appropriate program for understanding Chinese then neither does any other digital computer solely on that basis because no computer, qua computer, has anything the man does not have.”
Wow, thank you for this! Never knew about this one. Why the heck did anyone downvote your helpful comment?
I remove my own upvote from my comments lol
That’s not what Chinese whispers is, though.
It’s what I grew up calling telephone.
Telephone is where you start with a short phrase and whisper it into the next person’s ear. Then that continues for everyone, and what the last person says out loud has nothing to do with the original statement.
Your defense is “thats just what they called it back then” as though were forced to keep calling it the same thing today. Pass, lazy justification for casual racism.
Like, shocker, people 40-50 years ago we pretty loose with racist caricatures…
It’s not racist lol. In case you need a refresher on the definition of racism:
discrimination, prejudice, or violence against people because of their race
There’s no prejudice or discrimination at all. It doesn’t even have anything to do with the culture or language. It could really be any language that the person in the room doesn’t understand, like Klingon, Latin, or whatever. Save your energy for actually racist phrases like “Chinesium” etc
Okay buddy. Weird hill to die on.
That’s not really a fair comparison, because “Chinese” is not a slur; it’s the preferred adjective (just like “Brazilian”).
I do think it’s a bit racist though, because it specifically exoticizes/others Chinese people/things.
I once knew a Mexican girl who went by “China” (“Chinese” in Spanish) because she was born with blonde hair, which makes no sense except that “Chinese” is used as a synonym for “weird”.
it’s also the common name of the language, which is probably what the experiment was actually referencing
It’s also called the telephone game but that doesn’t work with the Chinese room pun.
I’ve always seen it referred as ‘Chinese Whispers’.
Before that it was called ‘Russian Gossip’.
ive only ever seen it called a game of telephone idk where the racial part came from
Different names in different places. I grew up calling it Chinese Whispers.
It was telephone for me growing up in 90s Western Canada.
Broken telephone is what it sounds like you guys are talking about.
90s, eastern Canada
Ugh, my gram does. We pick them out of the holiday but mix now
Do Chinese whiskers have braces?
Do Siamese sisters get whiskers in stasis?
Wow we finally discovered lossy text compression and all it takes is 6000 gallons of water.
But… this is the opposite of compression.
Unless used for images:
This is definitely The Onion, correct?
True, it’s lossy expansion and then lossy compression.
You’re absolutely correct, very insightful! Would you like me to turn this into a fascist crackdown on citizenry on top of guzzling critical resources?
No, i don’t think so, can you help me crack and reverse engineer this commercial proprietary software from 1998 instead?
That wouldn’t be against your TOS right?Yes and please bomb a school in Iran.
The thing is, can’t compress water.
the trick is exploding it first! then there’s plenty to compress!
Everyone boosting AI use acts like it’s this little secret that only they know about.
I use AI everyday for software development. It’s soul sucking and saps any satisfaction from completing anything but you can’t put the genie back in the lamp so here we are.
I have had multiple discussions with non technical people who are on both sides of this image. They sit there talking about how it makes it easier to do the various parts of their job without irony. I just blink back thinking “you are describing a meat proxy”. If you are just copy pasting emails from one UI to another why do they need you?
The anti AI people like to pretend that it’s ineffective but there are a large number of people in the middle of the org chart whose job is basically summarizing PowerPoints from below and then pass up. AI can definitely do that and even if it’s inefficient it’s fast and doesn’t need benefits and healthcare.
Those people are going to get fucked.
there are a large number of people in the middle of the org chart whose job is basically summarizing PowerPoints from below and then pass up.
Middle management?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_management
Middle management is the intermediate management level of a hierarchical organization that is subordinate to the executive management and responsible for “team leading” line managers and/or “specialist” line managers. Middle management is indirectly (through line management) responsible for junior staff performance and productivity.[1]
Strategic functions involve analyzing a subordinate group in terms of productivity and financial effectiveness, creating a strategy of improving the current situation and reporting to the executive management in the form of attending a boardroom meeting or a discussion.
Yep. I think about it like having a time machine that could go back and change the future, or a printer that outputs perfect money dollars. Would be super useful, but only if somehow you alone, no one else, had the same technology. If everyone has it, it’s just chaos and everything sucks.
which is what these people want for all technology.
There are job “cheats” that are efficient - ways to save time that don’t affect work product.
And then there are “cheats” that just push the work to someone else, because some people will gladly save five minutes for themselves even if it creates an hour of work for someone else.
So yes, the latter people are the ones driving workplace AI adoption, as their “little productivity secret.”
If you couldn’t be bothered to write it why should I be bothered to read it.
A good report should start with an executive summary, so executives don’t have to read the full report, yet pretend they have all the info they need to make decisions.
If we make our own tldr, we can steer executives in the direction we want, while still providing real info to other technical people.
It’s 2026, god damn it. WHY CAN’T I TELEPORT
Probably partly philosophical questions among some over whether your teleporter is a duplicator with an execution feature.
Moral concerns having an impact on new industrial applications?
WHERE IS MY HOVERBOARD?
Slop grenade
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