I have the privilege of never having to think about windows. Once in a blue moon I am forced to help someone using it and I am absolutely baffled at how anyone can accept to daily drive it. You all are in an abusive relationship and you have no idea.
Even Microsoft are now renting Linux VMs on their cloud infrastructure.
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Lol, apple is almost as bad, especially the iPhone walled garden.
Old Apple was pretty good, but they slowly chipped away at what I liked about it. Snow Leopard was peak UI and Mojave was the last I was willing to tolerate when they dropped 32 bit apps after that.
Seconded, snow leopard was peak macosx
Problem is: once you’ve perfected an OS, you still have to satisfy the C-Suites egos with canges. Result: everything gets worse.
They kept cramming stuff into the OS that should have and in many cases were, handled by apps. Mainly 3rd party software. Watson is a historic example of that.
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Hard disagree. I just started using Mac at my new job.
Why are all the hot keys wrong? Windows and Linux have fairly similar basic hot keys.
They both scroll the correct direction out of the box.
MacOS has decided my usb DAC doesn’t have volume adjust. Plug and play on windows and Linux.
I don’t think your comment is fair. Shortcuts and scrolling are just a matter of habit, missing functions in drivers happen with Linux all the time… but I was talking about how the user, for Microsoft, is a commodity to be sold; useability is an afterthought to adds and useless features.
On the other hand for Apple the user is a cow to milk. The OS is quite ergonomic, but you are corraled and prodded to only use (and buy) the tools that apple wants you to use.
What is worrying to me is that android is on the same trajectory and see do not have a viable Linux distribution for most ARM phones.
It’s a missing driver issue, the driver is there and working, Mac just disables the audio slider.
My comment was about how Mac departs from the standard that other systems implement. It’s 2026, it’s not crazy to think that they should standardize on what windows and Linux uses
The fact alone that Mac doesn’t have a Control key like every other PC OS, but a command key should tell you how contrary Mac is to everything else.
The user is only a commodity if you use the free OS that comes with the computer you buy. You aren’t a commodity if you use Enterprise Windows, like at all. Every single feature you guys like to complain about can be disabled, which you can’t say about Mac. And you still get all the compatibility with virtually every single hardware and software in existence.
I stand by my position. You are in an abusive relationship and you do not even realize it.
I don’t get why people on Lemmy care so much about either of them so passionately, I passively see more Linux vs Windows in a week here than basically the rest of my life before joining this site. Is every other person here some kind of computer science enthusiast or something like that?
It’s because Lemmy is a techy tinkering hub. The same skills and interests needed to be aware of and migrate to Lemmy lend themselves to people migrating to Linux.
Both are free and open source and arguably better than the alternatives of reddit and windows so of course there are a bunch of dorks on here trying to get you to switch.
Both also cut down on how much you can be spied on and manipulated by algorithms so that’s a big incentive to convert people too.
Edit: btw you should switch to linux
Lemmy’s full of linux fans. Theres not really much more to it
Yup I like control and I can’t stand my computer doing things on its own.
Similarly, I can’t stand how commercial OSes are constantly trying to push their own control on customers. Walled gardens, building in advertising backdoors, pushing AI “features” trying to get customers hooked on their latest venture bubble that’s cooking the planet…
Etc, etc, etc…
Well there’s probably not enough memory to install Windows on those fans anyways…
You don’t need to. You just open those windows for a nice breeze.
Is every other person here some kind of computer science enthusiast or something like that?
That’s a fair way to sum it up, yeah. Politics aside, we like to tinker with tech and Linux is inherently tinker-able.
Yes, most lemmings use Linux and because you have to care about your choice of operating system at least a little bit for Linux there is a lot of talk about it here
Lemmy, like linux, has a very small learning curve that keeps out most people.
The principles that make Lemmy attractive are the same principles that people like about Linux: freedom, openness, tech independence. The list could go on.
Point is, it’s safe to say that if you like either one, you’re more likely than the average person to like the other as well.
Because there is an ethical implication is using Linux vs Windows.
Windows is the De Facto choice since Windows 95 at least. And Microsoft is steering computers in a anti-consumers space. So for many people, using Linux isn’t simply using a different OS but it is also a ethical statement.
Ig yea, I do use Linux too, but the “Linux VS WindOws” bs OS wars is everywhere tbh, but yea- if you are on reddit, you wouldnt see it cuz the algorithm knows you don’t care- on the other hand if I open reddit rn (I haven’t opened it in, god knows how long) I bet, the first post that gets shoved in my face is some fuckass stupid OS war rage bait.
One of the Reason I quit reddit was because of this kind of negative engagement farming kind of posts just filling up my feed, This place is better compared to reddit on that case, but because there’s not a prominent algorithm that tracks you, what you see is what everyone mostly sees and Ig somany privacy consious people who switched to lemmy, also uses some form operating system that respects their choice.
Honestly i don’t see much pro windows stuff here. Mainly just hate for it.
But yeah the thought-journey to reach Lemmy from Reddit is a very similar journey to reaching Linux from Windows.
Lemmy is quite a niche platform on the fediverse. Its open source and run by a bunch of volunteers. This is very likely to attract technical people to a much greater extent, when comparing it to other social Media platforms. This naturally means, that we have a userbase, that cares about technical topics (like Linux) to a much greater extent than on other sites.
I don’t get why people on Lemmy care so much about either of them so passionately
Weirdos who feel the need to let everyone know their team is superior, so they can feel superior. Its just as dumb as apple vs. android or Xbox vs playstation vs pc. Guys, It’s ok to like what you do and NOT shit on people who don’t do what you’re doing.
I want people to have a free alternative to windows that actually let’s them know what’s under the hood, I understand that elitism absolutely exists in the Linux community, but most of us just want to see you enjoy an operating system that respects the user and isn’t at the mercy of techbro man children.
Some folks, sure.
But think of it like lemmy vs reddit. It’s not just a brand war. One of those is not really a brand at all. It doesn’t have marketers, it earns no profit, and was made to spread control around rather than to move it to a new platform.
Large majority of windows users never have a single thought about Linux users because they don’t know Linux exists.
Yes… it’s like default settings. The very action of changing a setting on any devices means you are a “power user”. You made a conscious decision on how the device should behave and you suspect it can be done. Meanwhile the vast majority of users do not even consider this a possibility.
Windows users are not using a computer, they are doing another task that happens to required a machine, they don’t learn about what it is, how it works, how it can be modified.
IMHO it was perfectly in the 70s when there was no laptop, desktop, mobile phone, mobile data. Now that one needs to use such infrastructure to interact with others, vote, pay bills, get access to culture, etc then I do believe computer literacy is not optional anymore.
Pretty sure you can change plenty of settings in Windows.
So they are power users by your own logic.
My point isn’t the availability of settings as a meaningful information but rather if somebody did change a setting, or not. If somebody changes a default setting, or a default OS, they are radically more likely to be a power user.
If I can’t resize the giant taskbar, then what’s the point?
It’s like that, but it’s not the whole picture. That’s how it starts. Then they get to something they can’t change and start trying to figure out why. Then in their web searches they stumble into a Linux forum…
(True story)
Meanwhile MacOS users:
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interpret as you see fit
There’s just as many bugs, they’re just pretty sometimes.
And when you’re not fighting bugs, you’re fighting the design of the OS itself
IT Professional here. I would take a steaming shit on every Apple product anyone has ever needed my help with if I didn’t think it would get me fired.
The difference between Linux and Windows is that Windows is being made terrible on purpose.
does that imply linux is being made terrible by accident? which implies also that linux is being made terrible?
From my experience, Linux is a little more susceptible to random bugs and issues, sadly doesn’t support a lot of common software and games, etc. Terrible might be a strong word, but it has its issues. Hopefully things keep getting better.
yea it can run most things i want in my case, either with distro amnostic packages, the pacjage manager or wine. Some stuff doesn’t work yea, if you need very specific software or play meta games or some also specific games it might not work either. At least it’s getting better tho like you said, (unlike windows(like you also said)).
Oh.
Well, the exact reverse of this was and has been my mental state for years now, untill a seemingly insecure Windows user here apparently felt the need to insinuate the opposite is actually case.
Evangelizing?
No, I don’t do that.
I answer some questions that some people have, where they’re initiating things.
Occasionally this elicits a REEEE type response from a Windows user… which I can usually counter with ‘I actually used to work for MSFT… that’s why I am now a linux user.’
Oh god, I remember that guy now. He would post vague linux memes that weren’t really for or against linux, then shit on linux in the comments. He made his own communities that he would solely post to. I blocked him after I realize he wasn’t going to get bored very quickly.
Linuxsucks community. Mudhunter or madhunter or something.
Found it. Madthumbs. He’s still posting several anti linux memes a day. The guy has some sort of mental illness.
Great work OP, really riled em up. Shitpost? More like successpost. Or successhit. We can work on the word later.
If there’s a linux circlejerk community this needs to be there asap
The Linuxmemes community. All their memes are about Windows anyway.
The reasons I use Windows instead of Linux:
- I don’t really care that much
- i’ve had my PC on windows for a long time and haven’t had any major issue with it
- i’ve hard it’s a lot of work, especially when you already established a lot of things on windows
- I suck at coding. Closest I can do is vibe coding and it is very shameful. I can read and somewhat understand what code does, but I don’t have the time or patience to learn. Especially since there are so many languages and my school tried to teach Java for 2 school years, HTML for 1, and CSS for 1.
I switched to linux with no prior knowledge recently and it takes a while to learn things again I agree. Helps that I had to learn linux to mess with games not on steam for my steamdeck 🤷 it’s much much easier than it was before but it’s still a leap to switch from windows
I use Windows 10, and I think about switching to Linux all the time. I just feel like i need atleast two whole days to backup all my important stuff, to wipe all drives clean, to config everything, but I just don’t know when I have those 2-3 days
I just got a second SSD and installed Linux on it and in BIOS I set the boot order to boot from the Linux drive. Still have my SSD with Windows 10 in case I need it. During boot, I then can just press F8 and select the boot drive, should I desire to use my Windows 10 drive. Easy.
I second this if you can afford the extra drive.
I just realized I haven’t touched the windows one in almost a year. Time to format and clear up space for torrents.
Yeah I purchased the second drive just when I saw they were about to get really expensive. I actually used my Windows drive recently, cos there was an open playtest of an upcoming game I am looking really forward to, and at that ran only on Windows, although the official release is planned for Linux as well.
This. You also have a backup plan in case there’s something that actually wont work in linux.
My motherboard only has one m.2 slot, and I don’t want to run an OS from a SATA drive or buy any more adapters and drives so I do need to wipe it all
You won’t notice any difference running off of a sata ssd. Unless you are moving large files constantly there is no real world difference other than the physical size of the drive
What I did was clone my windows drive as a virtual machine on an external drive, like a flash drive, then, I wiped the drive, installed kubuntu, moved the VM back to the drive, and when I run into something that I’m like “I can’t find an alternative to this app on Linux” or “I need a copy of that one thing from my old windows install” I just boot it up, use the app and do what I need, or transfer the file over, and I’m good.
In my case I will admit, I did not wipe the windows drive and ended up dual booting, but not very often, just because I haven’t been able to get a vm to run smooth using virtual manager since I switched, running windows or Linux, pretty sure it’s because of Nvidia and their proprietary driver. If I don’t need GPU, I can use the VM just fine. But for specific games or software, switching to Windows on bare metal is handy.
I’d say the VM thing isn’t the best solution to the problem you’re facing, but it is a solution that can make the transition a little easier, it helped for me anyways, so I figured I’d share.
2-3 days seems very optimistic, but it depends how much you enjoy tinkering with your setup.
Maybe consider dual-booting so you can go back to windows if something urgent comes up while you migrate.
another good tip Ive read is to use software that has both linux and windows support and try using it on windows first. For me the hardest part of migrating from windows to linux was switching from lightroom to darktable. it just took me time to be motivated to put in the time to learn how darktable worked, and look up peoples workflows, plus setup a good import schema
I had to spend the better part of a day fiddling with the USB stick, but honestly once the actual install was done I was pretty much running out of the box. My 7 year old uses it. Steam is even an easy native install now. There’s just not much to set up anymore if you’re just doing games/video/browsing. I spent another day doing some fancy stuff UI setup for fun, but it was working right away. A far cry from the days of messing with alsa or the tears behind getting wifi set up, let me tell ya! Was really surprised as someone who had been away from Linux distros for nearly 10 years.
Dual booting sucks if you don’t do it well. Windows keeps messing with the bios settings and the boot loader and crap like ‘fast boot’ to make your life painful.
Try Linux on a USB stick in live mode (JUST DON’T PRESS INSTALL YET) . It will be a bit slower than a direct drive boot but you can play around with Linux and get to like it without having to wreck all your windows stuff or wipe any drives.
And make sure it is a 3.0 stick in a 3.0 port. USB 2.0 is barely even 5400 RPM speed.
My wife is in the same boat. But it’s more like 2 weeks, 2-3 days to migrate and the rest to get used to the different OS. After that you’re good forever though (at least until you see new shiny distro come out)
Linux can access NTFS-based drives. I say that you should just move everything onto drives that aren’t hosting the OS, then format the OS drive with a fresh Linux.
If you have nothing backed up then you can just pretend the drive failed and you lost everything. Now you can just wipe the drive and install Linux.
The irony.
Linux? Isn’t that the kid from the Charlie Brown cartoons that walks around holding a blanket?
It would be more accurate to say windows users don’t think, period. :)
Not true in my experience. Windows users hate their OS and all the crap they have to live with.
Their OS doesn’t require them to. They can spend their time thinking about other things in life, like touching grass.
Unlike Linux, that fights against every decision you do and even requires you to use command lines just to get your audio working.
Not true anymore, but it uses to be like that many years ago. Since pulse audio, the Linux sound stack really become very good.
I don’t think about you at all
Creates and posts a meme depicting an imaginary interaction, because they don’t think about it.
Is this really a thing to hate on someone for their operating system?
Like, I use a computer to browse sites like this, play games, and do simple shit like writing (film) scripts, or playing around in Excel.
operating system never has ever crossed my mind.
Yes, go to the linuxsucks community. Seems like one guy spends all his time making anti-linux propaganda. If you point out the misinformation portions he bans you.
The idea of that is actually quite funny. A grown up who is actually that petty unironically.
That’s dumb. It’s a fucking computer. If you’re able to use it, who cares. If people use a different system who fucking cares? It doesn’t affect anyone but yourself.
Microsoft and Apple are steering the computing space in a very anti-consumer space. So for many people, it is more than just an OS, but an ethical statement.
The less people use Windows and MacOS, the less sway they have in the computing space.
So Linux is just computer hipsterism?
Is it hipster to advocate for mega corpo to fuck off?
Not sure how you got this from my reply, but mega corpos influence our life for the worst. Trying to diminish their influence in our life isn’t hipsterism.
Sure they do, but an OS isn’t influencing your life compared to Meta or any of the media conglomerates.
It does though because a higher marketshare means more money for them. And if they have almost all the marketshare, they can influence the market easily (see Google and Web Manifest V3).
If people don’t use Windows for example, chances are they won’t buy Office365 and/or OneDrive.
And that doesn’t even broach how Microsoft tried to deploy Recall, which was taking a screenshot of what people were doing every few seconds, a major breach of privacy.
So they might not influence people as much as Meta for example, but it does influence them.
I do sometimes feel bad for MS Windows users. I rarely “hate on” them, but that largely depends on their reaction my inability / unwillingness to use the communication/collaboration tools and data formats they are used to.
Why? They use a different product than you do. How does that affect you in any way?
Usually it’s because we have a mutual desire to communicate, collaborate, or exchange data.
When it doesn’t affect me, I generally don’t think about it, and I certainly don’t “hate on” them.
Yes, go to the Linuxmemes community. Seems like tons of users there keep making Windows memes that have nothing to do with Linux, because they can’t handle how popular Windows is. If you point out the misinformation, or even show any love for Windows, you get downvoted to hell if not outright banned.
I just don’t get it. I don’t judge people based on their fucking phone. It makes no sense to care about what computer people use.
