I’ve worked 2nd (afternoon), swing (evening), and 3rd (overnight) shifts for the majority of my life. I recently moved into a training position where I’m Monday through Friday, 8am to ~5:30pm (I get OT while I’m cleaning up and writing reports).

As much as the 2nd/swing/3rd shifts screw with your life in other ways, the difficulty in scheduling any kind of life services outside of working hours is maddening. Doctor’s appointment? Nope. DMV? Maybe Saturday, if you’re lucky. Chaperone your kids field trip? Hahahhah no.

I don’t want to burn sick time for a doctor’s appointment (I need to save those for when my kid is actually sick), and I sure as hell don’t want to use up a “vacation” day for it. How tf are you supposed to get anything done?

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      Also depends on the country you’re in. In my case “sick leave” doesn’t have a limit. If you’re sick or you need to take care of someone who is, you just don’t work. There’s no day limit.

      Also, if you need to go to a bank appointment or something like that, most places will either not even ask you to “recover” those hours or (at worst) you’ll just work an extra hour a few days.

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        In addition to what you’ve mentioned, in my country if you have a government job doctor appointments count as work. And works days are 7.75 hours a day in winter and 7 in summer, including lunch.

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    The concept of burning vacation / sick time for a doctor’s appointment is weird to me (canada). I just say “hey boss, doc appointment this day” and he says “okay”.

    I feel like it depends on the company here, but I don’t think I’d stay long if they made me use my time off for that.

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      Same thing here in Europe. You can then get a special permit from the doctor to show your employer that you were actually at a medical appointment and not smoking weed

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        In United States of Shit, you can get a doctor’s note to show employers. Most times I’ll make an appointment and get the date on a doctors card and show my manager. All unpaid of course

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        Ey! My GP’s notes don’t mention I wasn’t smoking weed. I’ll have to ask them to include it next time.

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      The concept of burning vacation / sick time for a doctor’s appointment is weird to me (canada). I just say “hey boss, doc appointment this day” and he says “okay”.

      Look, I get that you live in a civilized country, but stop gloating.

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    We don’t. We come home around 7 and start doing the bare minimum to keep up the household letting daycares and schools raise our kids.

    We clean and cook and pay our bills then we go to sleep irritated and tired and sick of the rat race.

    We have sex once or twice a month and go to fucking florida once a year. That’s it.

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    This is why the rich don’t understand how the poor “can’t work”. They have kids yo. And lower end jobs oftenhave very strict hours. But the upper end jobs have lots of flexibility. And the rich of course just don’t volunteer at their kids school, or they have a parent home with the kids to do all those things.

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      Last month, I was looking for advice for burnout.

      The advice I found was inevitably “take a leave of absence from work and get a therapist.”

      What a sick fucking joke.

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    Burn PTO. Already get up at 6 to get the kids off to school, straight to work, straight to dinner, pick one chore until i pass out, get up at 6

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      If you have PTO. Contractors do not. Finding full time employment these days is hard. Finding full-time contracts is a lot easier.

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      Eat
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      Repeat

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      That’s a weird way to pronounce “we’re an abusive workplace and I advise you to form a union.”

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      Lol fuck that. It was either a really shit pahing job or a really high paying job. If it was inbetween tat company fuck can jump off a cliff.

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    I work from home, and I’m paid based on various billable tasks. I work up to three times as fast as they think those tasks should take, and I only really work from 11am-3pm most days.

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    I communicated with my manager and came in late or left early. I’d usually do dental and medical appointments in the morning, and governmental stuff in the afternoon, but whatever I could schedule.

    It helped that I was salaried, so the missing hours didn’t affect my take-home pay. But also, I could make up the hours by staying late, if needed.

    I know this won’t work for everyone, and it would be good to change the system to work for more people.

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        Eh that makes it a complete solution, but there’s a lot of daily tedium that can be knocked out with a cell phone, and in some cases dipping out to swing by whatever shop/service is viable

        Not that I’m suggesting it’s easy or that corpo culture isn’t broken. Just my personal best answer

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          what about stuff like cooking, cleaning, laundry? Also in-person appointments like doctor, dentist, vets (if you have pets), car maintenance, etc? Banking and scheduling these appts you can do completely remotely but everything else requires being in-person

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            Cooking, cleaning, etc has always been on people’s own time. For appointments and errands they try to use their lunch hour or request off-time, go in extra early and leave early, whatever - depends on the job. One of the benefits of most WFH jobs is being able to schedule your own time.

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            It doesn’t take that much longer to cook multiple meals than it does just one. So do that and use your microwave oven.

            Laundry is easy, program your machine to be done just about when you get back from work.

            Cleaning is a non issue if you clean as you go. It should not take a significant amount of your free time. A robovacuum helps.

            We live in a world of automation. Use it to make your life better.