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Neelix and Kes when Kes is essentially in heat. That episode was so gross
All Kess and/or Neelix episodes belong on that list. Can’t stand either character, although Kess is still way worse than Neelix
The hardest thing for me to come to terms with is that, while I hated Neelix while watching the show, I think if I’d actually been on Voyager, I would have really liked him. He’s super friendly, and just wants to help, and makes all these crazy foods that would be fun to try. (Kess stuff not withstanding)
He also gets progressively better through the show, just never near favorite territory
I hear your anguish, I present to you Tuvix!
Right, Kes is like 4 years old then
More like 2, actually. 4 would have been the normal time for her race, but some electrical storm nonsense kicked it off early for her temporarily.
I dont think that episode is that weird overall. They wanted to address the reproductive cycle of a very short lived race and also have a “what does it mean to be a parent” moral lesson.
“Hold hands with me to breed” is some pretty mild sex talk honestly, especially for the “go fast and have lizard sex” writers.
Probably the DS9 episode where they give Quark a sex change operation and the Ferenghi liquidator tries to rape him.
They should delete that episode, there’s no value in watching it.
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I had completely wiped that from my memory…thanks…I guess…
It wasn’t the liquidator, it was the CEO of Slug-O-Cola.
Right, it wasn’t Brunt, I thought he was another liquidator for some reason.
I did try to erase that episode from my brain, I guess it didn’t fully take.
For me, it echoed real life, when someone with power over you wants something you shouldn’t have to and don’t want to give. It was uncomfortable, and I’m glad they did it.
I think the problem was it was treated as a comedy and not a serious issue which it could have been.
My vote goes to that episode in season 1 of TNG where they’re fighting black people on like a jungle gym.
Either that or just…all of Sub Rosa.
Almost any scene in the decon chamber on the NX-01.
I’m going to say any space battle scene made since 2009.
From TOS up through Enterprise, you could follow the space battles. “This ship went this way and fired phasers but it only hit the ship’s shields, then they fired back…” Camera movements were smooth and comfortable, you could see and tell what is going on.
J. J. Abrams shows up and all of a sudden we’ve got panicky Saving Private Ryan cam and there’s just nine layers of beam spam on the screen. Everyone is machine gunning everyone from every which way. It’s got George Lucas syndrome. “Put more special effect bullshit on the screen. More. MORE. MOOOOOREEEEE!”
This is one of the many things that Strange New Worlds (and Lower Decks as well) have got right. Space battles in SNW are beautifully animated, but they aren’t overwhelmed with excess visual spectacles and they tend to be fundamentally simple: you shoot at us, we shoot back or try to find some helpful obstruction to hide behind, etc.
Even Prodigy’s big space battle in their finale manages the task to some degree, despite it’s scale. I remember watching it felt oddly sluggish, as the ratio of ships on screen to weapons being fired was surprisingly low, but it definitely made it easier to keep track of whatever specific event the camera was focussed on.
Space battles in The Expanse are the best I’ve seen in all sci-fi. Actually Physics-Informed; like firing the thrusters to counter the recoil of their rail guns.
I love Star Trek but the tech woowoo always kinda drives me crazy. Even if it was a inspiration to become an engineer in the first place (the NCC1701-D Technical Manual was one of my favorite books growing up lol).
I think this was beaten by that battle at the end of Discovery series 2 with the most over the top CG dog dogfight with far too many ships I’ve ever seen. It’s not like Trek can’t do big scale battles, DS9 proved that, but this was just a a mess.
Star Trek 2009 ended the franchise for me. At the end of Trek '09, I thought to myself Welp, it’s been a good run, but they’re making Hollywood budget fanfics now. The actual show is done.
09 was alright, Into Darkness was the low point for me, I think the first two series of Picard were down there with it, but in the last few years they’ve really pulled their socks up.
I would agree, '09 was alright. I enjoyed it. It is a fanfic. 'I’m gonna do MY thing with these characters." I haven’t seen any Trek made since, official first-party fanfics signal to me the end of a franchise. My understanding of the franchise since has been:
- Into Darkness: Attempt to redo Wrath of Kahn because Nemesis worked so well.
- A third Chris Pine TOS era movie: I think they made one?
- Discovery: What if Star Trek, but the crew are all immature adolescents who don’t deal with a single goddamn thing like mature adults?
- Below Decks: What if Star Trek, but it’s Rick and Morty?
- Picard: What if geriatrics?
Have I missed anything?
A third Chris Pine TOS era movie: I think they made one?
My favourite of the trilogy. Which is to say, I didn’t turn it off.
Although I could argue there are worse scenes in general, the one with the most impact for me, that almost cut my Trek fandom short… the handholding jellyfish at the end of TNG’s debut 2 parter.
I watched it when it first aired, and I cringed so hard that my family thought I had a stroke. Really, those episodes were full of stuff that made you feel like an ass telling your friend new to Trek that “it gets better,” but that really was the whipped cream and cherry on top.
All of Star Trek: Picard.
You mean you didn’t like the series where they made friends with the Borg, and set up their friend as Queen of the Borg, but the very next time they encountered the Borg, everyone was scared and knew they were the enemy, and they could only defeat them with the Power of Nostalgia?
I mean I can compress any story you like into 3 sentences making it sound completely silly. Is there a point to make?
Yes. Picard season 3 was badly done.
The plot was weak, and it leaned way too heavily on the nostalgia factor to get views. It also ignored the developments with the Borg in season 2 just to have an excuse to bring up Locutus.
It could have been so much better, but they concentrated on ‘getting the band back together’ instead of an actual reason for them to get together.
Surely over the 30+ years of in universe time, the crew have served with other good officers who would have their backs, while being old enough to not be affected by the magic Borg mind control. This could have also given us new characters that were actually at risk of dying, rather than giving us a pretty much indestructible crew, excluding, of course, the single disposable crew member, and the token death to show ‘our’ Borg that she’s been accepted.
It was a poor season, propped up by childhood memories.
The whole point of bringing back Picard to begin with was to play on classic fans nostalgia after the negative reaction to Dis in the early years. The first two series failed that and gave us loads of piss poor new characters that were largely hated. They did the right thing with S3. Have us some memberberries, capped off one of the hanging threads from the TNG era and rode off into the sunset
I understand that, but I still think that it was done badly. There’s a big difference between nostalgia and throwing everything out to have a This Is Your Life type guest special.
The Voyager episode Retrospect where Seven was, in her words, violated.
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Star Trek: Picard, when the Borg wake up and the Romulans just vacuum them out. In that moment the Cube should have automatically teleported them back inside. If the teleporters were down for some reason, the remaining Drones would just happily continue working in hard vacuum and proceed to assimilate the shit out of the Romulans. What happened was an uncalled for nerf of the Borg.
I mean, I feel like Star Trek plays it fast and loose with baddie strength a lot.
You mean like the Klingon warbird that could fire torpedoes while cloaked and that tech just got hand waved away in all Star Trek after that?
Also, and maybe this is just me, but wouldn’t it be relatively easy to just “drop” torpedoes while cloaked and have them do a delayed launch thing? And nobody thought to cloak a torpedo, or at least give it some stealthy coatings? Complete amateur hour.
Yes. But the idea is that the limitations of the technology enhance the story which is the whole point of Sci-fi that many people forget. The only requirement for technology (or magic) is that it has defined limits. torpedo’s have to be launched. The ship that could fire while cloaked was a plot point prototype, you don’t need to revisit it, or explain it beyond that.
People often say the Evil Spock episode was memorable, but why? I always thought it was so tropey. It just doesn’t strike me as thought-provoking if you can sum up something with “a parallel universe decided to release an evil version of me with an evil beard and nobody else to come from a parallel universe and frame me aboard my ship”. That would be more in line with Futurama, and ironically they handled the concept better.
I always thought it was so tropey. It just doesn’t strike me as thought-provoking if you can sum up something with “a parallel universe decided to release an evil version of me with an evil beard and nobody else to come from a parallel universe and frame me aboard my ship”.
My friend, where do you think the Beard of Evil trope came from?
That’s like saying Once More, With Feeling is tropey because it’s a Musical Episode.
Do people not watch Star Trek for the scientific concepts? Evil twins from a parallel universe just don’t fit into that.
Neither does Ba-by-GOD-do-DO-do-DO-do-DO
TIL there’s a baby shark religion. That’s impressive.
Every second of discovery
Every scene when human do klingonboo things.
I don’t understand this one, can you explain?
Klingons become quite popular after their rework in movies so from TNG onward you can see increasing amount of fanservice for them. Despite being archetypical enemy of the Federation, a warrior culture vs the peaceful one, we see central characters like Picard or Dax being basically honorable klingons, and there is not many klingons actively opposing that despite their society is xenophobic as fuck. Also they get whitewashed all the time with all the talk about honor, but nobody talk what is exactly happening with multiple species conquered by klingons, we never see them.
Interesting, thanks!
I was young and late to trek, so Voyager was the only one I watched religiously. I found Lana’s Klingon episodes dull.
