Except Russia also did and is doing settler colonialism, inasmuch they have been moving Ukrainians out and Russians into Ukraine for the past century at least, as they did with other Soviet republics, as they are doing to neighbouring states, with the aim of eroding their national identity.
Just like they are doing now. The only marginal difference is that there are not enough Ukrainians to alter electoral balances, and Russia would be able to dissolve the population of Ukraine via forced relocations instead of just killing them all. Both are genocide by the way.
That they are not merely trying to make Ukraine Russian-aligned.
They are trying to move 5 million Russians into Ukrainian territory, and have confiscated tens of thousands of homes after making their owners war refugees and are giving them to Russians.
They have kidnapped tens of thousands of Ukrainian children, and they are not just educating them to be Ukrainians accepting Russian rule, but they want to completely Russify them as a further attempt of erasing the Ukrainian nation.
Settler colonialism is not about race, it’s about the goal of eliminating one society by forcibly establishing another and pushing the original one out. What you are talking about is called ethnic cleansing. Settler colonialism attacks the idea of Palestine and Ukraine, ethnic cleansing is killing people systematically because they are Palestinian or Ukrainian.
Israel does their settlement one way, because they are racially and religiously motivated, Russians do their settlement another way because they are imperialistically and national chauvinistically motivated.
Yes, they are not exactly alike, but the actions and end goals don’t differ as much as the motivations.
Have you ever noticed America being very white and not very native American?
How about Australia?
Apartheid South Africa?
Russians do their settlement another way because they are imperialistically and national chauvinistically motivated.
There’s Russian colonization of Crimea but the goal of Russia is to annex Ukraine and forcibly assimilate its population. Not to wipe out or expell all Ukrainians.
Elaborate. You too @grue@lemmy.world Have there been mass deaths of civilians in Russian-occupied areas? Are they segregating the population or practicing apartheid based on ethnicity? Are they sterilizing Ukainians? Have marriages between Russians and Ukrainians been outlawed?
What kind of extermination campaign are they running? I’m not seeing it, besides relocating children out of the war zone. I suppose that could be argued as ethnic cleansing, but it can also be justified as protecting children from war so this alone isn’t enough imo
It’s not ethnic cleansing in your book, but who cares? It is according to the ICC, which is why there’s an arrest warrant for Putin for ethnic cleansing.
In the past nights Russia fired thousands of rockets and drones at civilian targets. The only reason Ukraine doesn’t entirely look like Gaza (and some parts do) is because of the population density and the air defense systems.
It’s almost like Ukraine is not a house, nor is annexation settler colonialism.
Except Russia also did and is doing settler colonialism, inasmuch they have been moving Ukrainians out and Russians into Ukraine for the past century at least, as they did with other Soviet republics, as they are doing to neighbouring states, with the aim of eroding their national identity.
Just like they are doing now. The only marginal difference is that there are not enough Ukrainians to alter electoral balances, and Russia would be able to dissolve the population of Ukraine via forced relocations instead of just killing them all. Both are genocide by the way.
Before i answer just tell me:
Is Israel doing settler colonialism?
Yes. And so is Russia.
What is your evidence that Russia is doing settler colonialism instead of imperialism?
That they are not merely trying to make Ukraine Russian-aligned.
They are trying to move 5 million Russians into Ukrainian territory, and have confiscated tens of thousands of homes after making their owners war refugees and are giving them to Russians.
They have kidnapped tens of thousands of Ukrainian children, and they are not just educating them to be Ukrainians accepting Russian rule, but they want to completely Russify them as a further attempt of erasing the Ukrainian nation.
19.500 according to Ukrainian sources. Incidentally Israel has killed more children than this.
The goal of settler colonialists is to wipe out the native population and replace it with their own race, not forcibly assimilate it.
Settler colonialism is not about race, it’s about the goal of eliminating one society by forcibly establishing another and pushing the original one out. What you are talking about is called ethnic cleansing. Settler colonialism attacks the idea of Palestine and Ukraine, ethnic cleansing is killing people systematically because they are Palestinian or Ukrainian.
Israel does their settlement one way, because they are racially and religiously motivated, Russians do their settlement another way because they are imperialistically and national chauvinistically motivated.
Yes, they are not exactly alike, but the actions and end goals don’t differ as much as the motivations.
Have you ever noticed America being very white and not very native American?
How about Australia?
Apartheid South Africa?
There’s Russian colonization of Crimea but the goal of Russia is to annex Ukraine and forcibly assimilate its population. Not to wipe out or expell all Ukrainians.
Is Russia trying to exterminate Ukrainian people in the annexed regions and replace them with Russian settlers?
Yes.
Definitely
Elaborate. You too @grue@lemmy.world Have there been mass deaths of civilians in Russian-occupied areas? Are they segregating the population or practicing apartheid based on ethnicity? Are they sterilizing Ukainians? Have marriages between Russians and Ukrainians been outlawed?
What kind of extermination campaign are they running? I’m not seeing it, besides relocating children out of the war zone. I suppose that could be argued as ethnic cleansing, but it can also be justified as protecting children from war so this alone isn’t enough imo
It’s not ethnic cleansing in your book, but who cares? It is according to the ICC, which is why there’s an arrest warrant for Putin for ethnic cleansing.
In the past nights Russia fired thousands of rockets and drones at civilian targets. The only reason Ukraine doesn’t entirely look like Gaza (and some parts do) is because of the population density and the air defense systems.
As an example, they are declaring the homes of war refugees abandoned, and are giving it to Russians, specifically excluding Ukrainians.
Oh fuck off you fucking brainwashed moron.