While DST is indeed nonsense and we should abolish it ASAP, please go back to your actual timezone and not something that is the very modification we shouldn’t have, i.e. summer time.
3/4? That’s fucked up, over here it’s roughly half and it’s still too much. Anyway, for specific areas there might be reasons to deviate from the timezone you’re supposed to be in, but for most people it is the best option. Over here (NL) our default timezone is already one hour too early, so adding summer time on top of that means we’re two hours out from where we’re supposed to be.
Over here (NL) our default timezone is already one hour too early,
Then you have a completely different, localized problem, and you should fix that locally. The solution you are advocating is completely unsuitable outside of that localized area. You should change your time zone, so you don’t have this problem.
The sun moves through the sky at 15 degrees per hour. An ideal timezone is one hour, or 15-degrees wide. Solar noon is at 12:00pm (Winter Time) in the middle of that timezone. At the eastern end, solar noon occurs at 11:30AM, and at the west end, 12:30. If the longest day of summer is 16 hours of daylight, the western end of this timezone experiences sunrise at 4:30AM. But, the center of the timezone experiences sunrise at 4AM, and the eastern end of that same, idealized timezone experiences sunrise is an hour earlier: 3:30AM.
Sunrise at 3:30 in the morning
This is nucking futs. Landscapers and construction workers have to wait for noise ordinances to expire at 8:00AM, 4.5 hours after sunrise, just in time for the day to start getting hot.
For coordinating the activities of daylight-oriented workers with clock-oriented workers/students, winter time is terrible. But summer time is actually very reasonable. In summer time, (with idealized timezones):
The earliest possible sunrise (on a 16-hour summer day, east end of the time zone) is 4:30AM. (The west end of that timezone has sunrise at a more reasonable 5:30AM)
The latest possible sunrise (on an 8-hour winter day, west end of the time zone) is 9:30AM (The east end of that timezone experiences that sunrise at a more reasonable 8:30AM)
Earliest possible sunset is 4:30PM (east end of the zone, 8-hour winter day; with the west end experiencing it at 5:30PM)
Latest possible sunset is 9:30PM (west end of the zone, 16-hour summer day; the east end experiences that same sunset at 8:30PM)
None of these extremes are ideal, but none of them are completely ridiculous either. Year-round Summer time is simply the best alternative to the biannual time change.
Look, if you’re too lazy to set your alarm clock to a time that works for you that’s fine, but why make other people suffer for your preferences? We have timezones for a reason, arguments like yours are what started the DST madness in the first place.
I would pose that same question to you. Why do you feel it is important for the sun to come up at 3:30 in the morning? Why would you impose that absurdity on anyone?
I think summer time is the superior timezone up here in Estonia. Look, the sunrise is already after 9 AM in December. Nobody’s gonna be seeing the sun before work or school anyway. But sunset is around 3:30 PM. Schoolkids could get an extra hour of sun after school by being on summer time in the winter.
For the time period of the autumn clock shift, we get an 8:23 AM sunrise and a 5:45 PM sunset one day and then the next it’s 7:26 AM and 4:42 PM. You suddenly go from it being light outside when you finish work, to it already being dark. Because of winter time.
In the spring, you suddenly get an hour of extra daylight after your work/school day. Who doesn’t want that? All you lose is that sunrise goes from 5:55 AM to 6:52 AM. But sunset goes from 7 to 8 PM basically
While DST is indeed nonsense and we should abolish it ASAP, please go back to your actual timezone and not something that is the very modification we shouldn’t have, i.e. summer time.
Nah, it would be far less disruptive to stick with the time we already use for 3/4 of the year. Winter time is the problem.
3/4? That’s fucked up, over here it’s roughly half and it’s still too much. Anyway, for specific areas there might be reasons to deviate from the timezone you’re supposed to be in, but for most people it is the best option. Over here (NL) our default timezone is already one hour too early, so adding summer time on top of that means we’re two hours out from where we’re supposed to be.
Then you have a completely different, localized problem, and you should fix that locally. The solution you are advocating is completely unsuitable outside of that localized area. You should change your time zone, so you don’t have this problem.
The sun moves through the sky at 15 degrees per hour. An ideal timezone is one hour, or 15-degrees wide. Solar noon is at 12:00pm (Winter Time) in the middle of that timezone. At the eastern end, solar noon occurs at 11:30AM, and at the west end, 12:30. If the longest day of summer is 16 hours of daylight, the western end of this timezone experiences sunrise at 4:30AM. But, the center of the timezone experiences sunrise at 4AM, and the eastern end of that same, idealized timezone experiences sunrise is an hour earlier: 3:30AM.
Sunrise at 3:30 in the morning
This is nucking futs. Landscapers and construction workers have to wait for noise ordinances to expire at 8:00AM, 4.5 hours after sunrise, just in time for the day to start getting hot.
For coordinating the activities of daylight-oriented workers with clock-oriented workers/students, winter time is terrible. But summer time is actually very reasonable. In summer time, (with idealized timezones):
The earliest possible sunrise (on a 16-hour summer day, east end of the time zone) is 4:30AM. (The west end of that timezone has sunrise at a more reasonable 5:30AM)
The latest possible sunrise (on an 8-hour winter day, west end of the time zone) is 9:30AM (The east end of that timezone experiences that sunrise at a more reasonable 8:30AM)
Earliest possible sunset is 4:30PM (east end of the zone, 8-hour winter day; with the west end experiencing it at 5:30PM)
Latest possible sunset is 9:30PM (west end of the zone, 16-hour summer day; the east end experiences that same sunset at 8:30PM)
None of these extremes are ideal, but none of them are completely ridiculous either. Year-round Summer time is simply the best alternative to the biannual time change.
Look, if you’re too lazy to set your alarm clock to a time that works for you that’s fine, but why make other people suffer for your preferences? We have timezones for a reason, arguments like yours are what started the DST madness in the first place.
I would pose that same question to you. Why do you feel it is important for the sun to come up at 3:30 in the morning? Why would you impose that absurdity on anyone?
Better for your health, better for students, safer for kids. Use local time!
no, I like summer time.
I think summer time is the superior timezone up here in Estonia. Look, the sunrise is already after 9 AM in December. Nobody’s gonna be seeing the sun before work or school anyway. But sunset is around 3:30 PM. Schoolkids could get an extra hour of sun after school by being on summer time in the winter.
For the time period of the autumn clock shift, we get an 8:23 AM sunrise and a 5:45 PM sunset one day and then the next it’s 7:26 AM and 4:42 PM. You suddenly go from it being light outside when you finish work, to it already being dark. Because of winter time.
In the spring, you suddenly get an hour of extra daylight after your work/school day. Who doesn’t want that? All you lose is that sunrise goes from 5:55 AM to 6:52 AM. But sunset goes from 7 to 8 PM basically