• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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    Not only that, I’ve tried pitching the fediverse to right wing people, but they didn’t bite.

    Even the crypto bros that were all about decentralization couldn’t see why a decentralized social media platform was superior.

    This also didn’t matter for people who care about “free speech”.

    You think the allure of being fully independent and having your own instance would be right up their alley given how they value independence, but nope.

    Seriously? Why isn’t there a right wing instance? My guess is that a right wing person can’t fathom owning something that benefits others which doesn’t give them back profit.

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      “free speech”, as your quotation marks imply, does not really exist outside of theory. In reality, free speech is a set of laws governing hate speech or other dangerous speech.

      Both the right and the left have ideas of what they think these laws should be.

      But there is no such thing as “free speech” in the real world.

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      Like everything on the right, decentralization is a means to an end, not a value in itself. They only care about it when it’s useful for helping them get ahead. Just like they only care about free speech when it’s them speaking to people who don’t want to hear their bullshit.

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      You think the allure of being fully independent and having your own instance would be right up their alley given how they value independence, but nope.

      Because it’s not about freedom of speech for them, it’s about freedom to force people to listen. Having their own server where they can shout at each other all day doesn’t serve their purpose. Their panties get wet by forcing others to listen.

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      Trump’s tremendous social media platform truth dot barf runs on Activity Pub, they just don’t federate with anyone by default. It’s like they don’t want dissenting views on there. Weird.

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          The only one I know of shut down and the admin posted this message:

          I knew Lemmy had its challenges, but I hoped it would evolve for the better. Sadly after 2 years, the culture of censorship through defederation has only grown stronger.

          So they shutdown because they couldn’t federate with any other instances and considered that censorship. A few people in that thread linked to another instance I’ve never heard of as an alternative and that one 404s if you type in the address so I guess they’re all still on reddit and twitter.

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            So they shutdown because they couldn’t federate with any other instances and considered that censorship

            Damn, I actually didn’t see that coming, I guess they will move the goal post from any starting point.

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              I’m going to play devil’s advocate and ask: How is it not censorship?

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                Cause no one is stopping you from going to said instance and just having the discussion there.

                If there was this super important leak that needed to be out there, if it’s posted on a right wing instance that is a defederated ghost town, it’s still out there. People can link to it and leverage the instance to have the needed discussions.

                Censorship means removing access, defederation does not wipe it off of the Internet.

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                  I would argue that censorship includes the suppression of information in its definition, not only it’s removal.

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                    The information isn’t being suppressed, just not allowed to seep our of the trash bin it’s currently in

                    If you want the garbage it’s easy to find. Most normal people don’t, so it gets kept where it won’t taint everything

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      Because “crypto bros” care about making money, not any ideology, except in a performative sense. If you pitched the fediverse to the original researchers inventing cryptocurrency and the early adopters, they would likely be receptive. But these are no longer associated with the current crypto crowd.

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      Why isn’t there a right wing instance?

      Because all other instances would assume that it’s for Nazis and defederate.

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      there are 3 major right-wing instances: lemmy.ml(ran by the Lemmy developers), lemmygrad.ml(the openly fascist version of lemmy.ml) and hexbear.net.

      if anyone wants to argue, I don’t. Anyone supporting Russia is right-wing. Authoritarianism is inherently conservative, reactionary and therefore right-wing.

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        Authoritarianism is inherently conservative

        Sorry, but no

        There’s a reason the step up from just left/right axis is the up/down of libertarian v authoritarian. Auth-left is very much a thing and is what tankies are