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Cake day: October 12th, 2023

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  • I should have prefaced my answer and stated that I don’t think this is racist, even unintentionally. But removing that possibility in this situation is a mistake, which I think I explain why below.

    I think it falsely reduces and misrepresent Deepseek’s innovation. And that fucking sucks. And in the atmosphere of “Chinese knockoffs” when a legitimate and well publicized innovation comes from China is misrepresented and downplayed and where it would be more appropriate to cautiously praise it, it’s obviously ignorance by the meme creator. And then you have to wonder if it’s racist ignorance or not. Frankly, well never know. But excising it from the possibilities is, in my opinion, a mistake.

    Any case, this is far too serious of a conversation in shitpost and I take full responsibility.


  • Yes. Those are the first two sentences of the paragraph. But the idea is contained in the paragraph which describes the process from those two sentences to racist idea.

    I think your other claim is better, that I was digging. But I think in today’s environment racism is rarely explicitly. It is implicit and easily denied. It can also be unintended. And I think those claiming it’s racism can be wrong. And even in failing, can legitimately point to something in the culture that conditions the interpretation of statements like this.

    What was more important was describing the process.




  • What’s racist about it?

    It’s because people the meme states that DeepSeek didn’t accomplish anything novel. That the real innovation was done in America with ChatGPT. And there is a narrative that the Chinese are not original, but only really good at copying other people’s work often using inferior parts. That last part, while not explicit in the meme, is in the culture.

    My understanding is that what DeepSeek did was novel for the training data it used l. However, there are some experts who question the ability to train the model using the limited budget they claimed and their understanding of the field would require far more processing power. I think there’s a non-racist and racist way of interpreting and answering this question.

    Edit: it’s also important that this is a shit post.

    You can decide if this post is racist or not. https://lemmy.ml/post/25316007




  • I had to explain the save button to my 9 year old about a week ago. And then I found myself explaining what a floppy disk was. Tonight I’ll ask him if he knows what that is a picture of. I’ll be impressed if he remembers. If he fails the check, imma gonna launch into a lecture on boot disks, games, and batch files. Wish me luck!







  • I think the joke is okay and would have worked if I didn’t have to make sense of a number of confusions I had to work through first.

    • number being represented by “nr”. Nothing wrong here, just something that I’m not familiar with.
    • the use of “floop” to represent the sound of the list hitting the floor
    • the lines in the doorway representing, what I’m guessing are, stairs and not connected to the employee as I first considered
    • the disappearance of the desk from one panel to another
    • the path one manager in red took to get to the door from sitting at the desk

    I don’t know if anyone else has these problems to work through, but having had to work through them muted any enjoyment I would have gotten from the joke had that been absent.




  • Clothing and food are surface, but important, cultural signs. It can be easy to observe and emulate these for one’s own gain either socially or econically. All the while the culture from which these signs are derive are ignored.

    Dressing up like a war chief for Halloween is partaking in the costume, but not the culture.

    But who cares, right?
    It’s important to root these in a history of colonial exploitation, marginalization, and erasure. A group of people whose way of life has been noted as barbaric, backwards, or savage were often the same reasons colonial powers saw it fit to steal from them, enslave, and murder them. Donning a cultures dress or making their food tastes “better” has done nothing to restore connection with that culture. It is just a more polite form of their erasure. They have been robbed of their soveignty.

    Another phenomena, as noted in the comic, is the chill acceptance of this by the appropriated culture. Here, they face no real erasure. Heck, you don’t really see this in newly immigrated peoples who want to make a better life for themselves. Being seen is success. But you speak to their first generation children and having their culture flattened to the surface signs can be infuriating if you are the type who views assimilation as a type of loss.

    I personally think there is space for a member of the dominant culture to appreciate the culture if they’ve been invited. But it is important to be careful here as well. Because you may have earned that right with one group from within the culture, but that is not transferable and that exception must be earned again.

    Heck, it gets even more complicated when people looking to just keep their schools open and working sge adults employed couldn’t care less when asked, but will ask if there’s anything that can be done to stabilize their community.

    So I’ve written a lot and feel like I missed so much and glossed over much of what is important. What have you read about the subject that really attempted to wrestle with the concept?