Crayon,
Crayon,
I should have prefaced my answer and stated that I don’t think this is racist, even unintentionally. But removing that possibility in this situation is a mistake, which I think I explain why below.
I think it falsely reduces and misrepresent Deepseek’s innovation. And that fucking sucks. And in the atmosphere of “Chinese knockoffs” when a legitimate and well publicized innovation comes from China is misrepresented and downplayed and where it would be more appropriate to cautiously praise it, it’s obviously ignorance by the meme creator. And then you have to wonder if it’s racist ignorance or not. Frankly, well never know. But excising it from the possibilities is, in my opinion, a mistake.
Any case, this is far too serious of a conversation in shitpost and I take full responsibility.
Yes. Those are the first two sentences of the paragraph. But the idea is contained in the paragraph which describes the process from those two sentences to racist idea.
I think your other claim is better, that I was digging. But I think in today’s environment racism is rarely explicitly. It is implicit and easily denied. It can also be unintended. And I think those claiming it’s racism can be wrong. And even in failing, can legitimately point to something in the culture that conditions the interpretation of statements like this.
What was more important was describing the process.
That’s not the part that I was claiming was racist.
If others aren’t familiar with the TV show “Beverly Hillbillies”, it was a show in the 60s and in syndication when I was growing up. It consists of of a family from the Ozarks who move to Beverly Hills. They continue to live life like they always have, but now in CA with rich neighbors. When the neighbors see this, they look down at them.
I remember there were neighbors who tried to get them to leave the neighborhood or try to trick them in some way. But the family would always outsmart them while maintaining the moral high ground.
What’s racist about it?
It’s because people the meme states that DeepSeek didn’t accomplish anything novel. That the real innovation was done in America with ChatGPT. And there is a narrative that the Chinese are not original, but only really good at copying other people’s work often using inferior parts. That last part, while not explicit in the meme, is in the culture.
My understanding is that what DeepSeek did was novel for the training data it used l. However, there are some experts who question the ability to train the model using the limited budget they claimed and their understanding of the field would require far more processing power. I think there’s a non-racist and racist way of interpreting and answering this question.
Edit: it’s also important that this is a shit post.
You can decide if this post is racist or not. https://lemmy.ml/post/25316007
we can rebuild him we have the technology
He’s lyin’
I had to explain the save button to my 9 year old about a week ago. And then I found myself explaining what a floppy disk was. Tonight I’ll ask him if he knows what that is a picture of. I’ll be impressed if he remembers. If he fails the check, imma gonna launch into a lecture on boot disks, games, and batch files. Wish me luck!
How’s Randy supposed to send out the nightly email now?
Hilarious when I confused the eighteenth with the ninteeth.
And your second move has to be another corner whose line hasn’t been blocked.
Usually from dehydration. Most cases self resolve after a few days.
I think the joke is okay and would have worked if I didn’t have to make sense of a number of confusions I had to work through first.
I don’t know if anyone else has these problems to work through, but having had to work through them muted any enjoyment I would have gotten from the joke had that been absent.
I wasn’t responding to the cartoon, but to one comment asking why cultural appropriation is a bad thing.
Good thing I’m not part of the “dominant culture”. Would hate to speak for you. Just speaking for myself. But there are Latin Americans who disagree with you.
Clothing and food are surface, but important, cultural signs. It can be easy to observe and emulate these for one’s own gain either socially or econically. All the while the culture from which these signs are derive are ignored.
Dressing up like a war chief for Halloween is partaking in the costume, but not the culture.
But who cares, right?
It’s important to root these in a history of colonial exploitation, marginalization, and erasure. A group of people whose way of life has been noted as barbaric, backwards, or savage were often the same reasons colonial powers saw it fit to steal from them, enslave, and murder them. Donning a cultures dress or making their food tastes “better” has done nothing to restore connection with that culture. It is just a more polite form of their erasure. They have been robbed of their soveignty.
Another phenomena, as noted in the comic, is the chill acceptance of this by the appropriated culture. Here, they face no real erasure. Heck, you don’t really see this in newly immigrated peoples who want to make a better life for themselves. Being seen is success. But you speak to their first generation children and having their culture flattened to the surface signs can be infuriating if you are the type who views assimilation as a type of loss.
I personally think there is space for a member of the dominant culture to appreciate the culture if they’ve been invited. But it is important to be careful here as well. Because you may have earned that right with one group from within the culture, but that is not transferable and that exception must be earned again.
Heck, it gets even more complicated when people looking to just keep their schools open and working sge adults employed couldn’t care less when asked, but will ask if there’s anything that can be done to stabilize their community.
So I’ve written a lot and feel like I missed so much and glossed over much of what is important. What have you read about the subject that really attempted to wrestle with the concept?
No, it’s available on home. I’ve been running it on home machines for a while now.