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Or Italia Pastaman

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What i meant by owing our existence to it is that the natural world is everything, literally, it doesn’t matter if we modify it, for we are natural too, and so is our behavior. Maybe owe is the wrong word, it’s not my intention to force some religious-adjacent message to this. Technology is nature elaborated by consciousness, which is natural too, unless you assume an outside influence. That connection is why I think it can ultimately be unhealthy to feel this way, it’s a negativity that one way or the other can be reflected in the end product.

Let me be clear, I don’t think your viewpoint is invalid, nor wrong. I am no one to tell you what to do or think. I am just sharing how I perceive it, and why.

I don’t think we are being defiant of nature, for it is our nature to be defiant. It’s a contradiction, a superposition of intention, that I think is mirrored in many contradictions of the fundamental rules of the Cosmos. Evolution is made from mutation, and memetic mutation is the latest and fastest expression of Life, or rather, Existence. Now I am putting some “religious” undertones. It’s my way to reach spirituality through scientific notions. I am not an academic and I don’t pretend I can get an objective view, just a spiritually healthy one (spirit = mind = soul, to me)

Unwillingness to compromise with the forces of nature is not what led to civilization. Humans went a long way before they could have the means to ignore certain limitations the world imposed on them. And now the earth under those means is crumbling, and the assumption that technology is separate or “better” than nature is falling apart.

I did not wish to assume you acted like those responsible for these failings, but I do want to caution you against that ontological perspective. I think there’s value in it, and risk too, as there is in mine.

I agree in a sense that bodies are prisons. Probabilistic cages that help us manifest from the singularity. All matter composing you and me existed way before it was you and me, but that matter could not think or feel or argue or suffer or smile before they coalesced in their current form.

That is why we are the Cosmos knowing itself. Not because it “wants” to but because we are it and are experiencing it. I am glad you have this disposition towards discussion and your own viewpoints, I appreciate that way of thinking and I try to do the same

I have not read the other replies, but consider that you might be biased by your viewpoint to see them as less coherent than they are, as viewpoints do. We humans struggle to see how much of our thought is lost in translation when it’s passed into word.

All of that said, in the grand scheme of things it’s a false dichotomy to distinguish between “natural” and “unnatural”, but I appreciate the Mechanicus angle nonetheless, though I do not share it anymore.

p.s. I cannot imagine having an LSD trip in a Starbucks and NOT have a panic attack, the only trip where i haven’t felt any anxiety was the first one, with close friends in the middle of a grove in front of a small lake. The other better ones where at home, though, but I do live in a very green place

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They are pathetic servants of the panipticon, so caught up in the way they feel the eyes that they enact it in the hopes to quell the monsters they are scared of. Defy them. Give them something they don’t want to talk about. Or run away, or ignore whatever useless things they shit from their mouth. There are many tools, don’t let the bastards grind you down

Just imagine you are a rebel in an dictatorship. Find the small shadows where your light can safely hide in. Share that light with those who cherish yours, and little by little, our flame will burn the enemy’s poison

Funny story: once i took a shit that was eerily red and started to panic. I searched and searched for possible causes and then after getting up i noticed in my trash bin an emptied 100g pack of beetroot chips i ravaged in a weed-addled munchies frenzy, and facepalmed

It’s the social panopticon. But the point of the panopticon is that no one is really watching. What we feel on our eyes is the abstract eye of ideology, which constantly tries to constrain our souls and bodies into well defined (and inaccurate) frames so that we will be compliant.

DEFY THE EYE CLAIM YOUR IDENTITY THE GRESTEST BATTLE IS IN OUR MIND

Manufacturing also gets cheaper when scaled

What point is there in hating the only thing you owe your existence to? I view it as a kind of ideological laziness, an unwillingness to accept that which come before you and will be after you. An insufferance of compromise with the forces of nature. It stresses you out and you feel like you caj’tcdo anything about it, and that usually turns into extractive, oppressive thought. I think your problems lie elsewhere, and nature is your scapegoat.

You refer to your body as a meat flesh prison but that’s an incredibly shallow way of perceiving the greatest vessel for existence that we know of. An incredibile marvel of evolutionary engineering, an organic machine abile to develop memories, happiness, pain, instinct and conscience. It is the way for the Cosmos to know itself. It’s typical human hubris to dismiss it as “flesh prison” while actually it’s the vehicle of our freedom.

I’m just a random on the internet so i don’t pretendente i am right abt you, another random on the internet, but i just don’t think it’s an healthy outlook and you should challenge it

Prove it

We can choose what we live for, and that’s the most meaningful thing I can think of

You should Google Murray bookchin

I love these posts, you should consider saving them as pDFs and make them like a fanzine, maybe it could be a community effort, somehow!

It’s just a catalyst. Or rather a mirror

Beh it’s the NSA fishing for incels

Very cool but…does it kinda look like AI art to anyone else?

Do it. Just flood it. Try with dolphins next time

No one is saying that

Your point is based on an idealistic and wishful “uncorruot government”. You cannot have an uncorrupt government. What’s needed is a different form of political decision making, one where the common folk participates in the political questions, not just some answers, where accountability is protected and a priority.

I don’t know the exact blueprint for this, maybe it is as unattainable as an “uncorrupted government”. What I know is that nobody really tried it yet, while so called “liberal democracy” has proven its failings to all and the fascist have been taking advantage of those failings since the start. The only way yo avoid this is to change our questions, not to all agree on the answers

Yeah I understand, and I like the decision, i hope my sentence example was of help