It was mostly a joke? I’m sorry I didn’t do a /joke to verbalize that.
I’m sorry I’m not chronically online. My “active” filter is about 12-30 hour old so I’m not chronically online as much as I was on Reddit. This is like a forum. Let’s not criticize people for not relocating quickly, please.
My apologies, I didn’t realise it was a joke seen as most people in this thread aren’t joking when they say things like that.
I don’t blame you for not chronically being online, that is a good thing rather than a bad thing, but if you were using it as a forum would you reply to a thread without actually reading through the rest of the conversation? The snide comment was mostly because I thought you were being serious and each of your points has been gone over multiple times within the tree of my original comment so I thought you were being intentionally belligerent.
I’m too ADHD in that I don’t have as the replies like a conversation and reply without reading the other replies. I’ll do better to get more context before reacting quickly in the future.
As much as I like the metric system, temperature in the world is the one place where I prefer Fahrenheit. Having to care about decimal points on a thermostat just seems like trying too hard. “Oh honey, could you turn the thermostat down to 21.1C?”
You know that 100 is hot as balls. You know 0 is cold AF. 0C is 32F. That’s not really that cold, I’m shoveling snow in a t-shirt. 0F is really that cold. It is almost more akin to a percent of comfort scale than a measurement of temperature.
It is an interesting thought experiment though, as anyone using a given measurement scale gets used to it over time. I’ve been doing dual for a while to better intuit fuzzy translations in my head without having to run a formula every time.
Just an opinion of course, and not trying to have some flagrant discussion. I’d gladly switch to Celsius if we ever finally left Freedom Units. Thus far, the only places you see it in the US is in science, medical, and pop companies selling 16.9fl oz (just shy of 500ml) beverages instead of 20, so they can milk their bubble sugar water for all the profits.
I used to say this. But being a curious person, and one willing to test my own hypothesis, I decided to learn Celsius. Like, spend enough time with it to intuitively understand it, so that I could compare the two.
Almost six years later, I haven’t switched back. I much prefer Celsius for weather. Having 0° at freezing is far more useful than I suspected it would be, and having less granular degrees gives them more meaning, which makes understanding them easier.
Seriously, I struggle to express just how useful below-freezing temperatures being negative is. -5°C means so much more to me than 23°F, and that’s after thirty years of using Fahrenheit and only six of using Celsius.
Edit: this isn’t to discount what you’re saying, just to offer my own opinion on the matter. Having experienced both, I much prefer Celsius. But obviously everyone will have their own opinions.
No one calls out decimals in Celsius. Unless you are measuring your kids fever. 38.1 vs 38.5 vs 38.9 you know that it’s time to ready the metamizole if it keeps creeping up like that
0°C is the frost point of water. If you know it will dip below that during the night, you can prepare your plants, driveway, kids (I’m sorry my love summer is over), pets, clothes, etc the day prior.
-40° is -40° though, doesn’t matter if it’s F or C. The best part of both scales.
I often hear americans (even scientists) say that they prefer the Fahrenheit scale for weather forecasts, but I believe the perceived higher accuracy is an illusion. Forecasts aren’t that accurate for any given micro climate.
For example, I don’t care if my weather forecast says 26°C or 28°C, I know it’s “short sleeves” weather and when I look at a few graphs at the end of the day, it’s been 25.6°C two meters above ground 100 meters south of me and 27.3°C in the garden, but only for 5 minutes etc.
I often hear americans (even scientists) say that they prefer the Fahrenheit scale for weather forecasts, but I believe the perceived higher accuracy is an illusion. Forecasts aren’t that accurate for any given micro climate.
When I switched from Fahrenheit to Celsius I used a rough heuristic to get the Fahrenheit value from Celsius. What I discovered was that my heuristic, which was rounded and would skip entire degrees Fahrenheit, matched most weather apps’ Fahrenheit value.
For example, if my app said 20°C, the other person’s said 68°F. If mine said 21°C, theirs said 70°F. If mine said 22°C, theirs said 72°F. If mine said 23°C, theirs said 73°F. It is very rare that mine has said, say, 21°C and theirs has said 69°F (or any temperature where the value was converted with decimals and then rounded).
That is to say, my experience certainly seems to indicate that for people using the same weather sources but in Fahrenheit, the value was still rounded to the nearest degree Celsius, then converted to Fahrenheit and rounded again.
That’s not to say you’ll never see 71°F or 69°F or other values that aren’t converted from an already rounded Celsius value, it all depends on what your data source is providing you. But nearly always, my rounded conversion from a rounded Celsius value matches what other people see in Fahrenheit.
This makes complete sense, because most people cannot tell the difference between 70°F and 71°F. And it’s difficult to predict regardless.
Edit: this could also just be a lack of sampling and dearth of values where the rounded-converted-rounded value differs from the converted-then-rounded value. I don’t know.
Nah, I agree 100%. Celsius is wonderful for computers and science, but the human-tolerable range is far too small. Fahrenheit is a human-based scale, with 0-100 basically corresponding to a percentage of how much heat a person is able to/forced to hold onto. At 0, you’re not really able to hold onto any heat; you quickly reach hypothermia. At 100, you’re forced to keep nearly all of your heat, and are only able to vent trace amounts; you quickly reach hyperthermia.
It turns out, people function best when they’re keeping 40-70% of their heat (depending on how they’re acclimatized, which is determined by how much brown fat they have), so those are the temperatures that are most comfortable for us.
You do realize the reason fahrenheit is set up that way, is based on the human perception of temperature. 0-100 is the general range or cold to hot. Of course some inhabited areas end up outside that range a bit, because humans are adaptable but generally speaking it allows for far more graduation in every day real world scenarios. Metric is good for science, but not ideal for casual everyday usage of hot and cold.
Your body doesn’t really care what the boiling point or freezing point of water is. But you should and generally do need to preemptively plan for environments outside the fahrenheit scale.
If that was true, then we wouldn’t see people bitching about the cold while I’m out in a t-shirt and jeans in 50°F weather. Seems fucking stupid to base a measurement system on something so subjective.
You do realize the reason fahrenheit is set up that way, is based on the human perception of temperature. 0-100 is the general range or cold to hot.
That is not why fahrenheit works the way it does. This is something Americans have appropriated as a silly and poor excuse for using it. “cold” and “hot” are completely arbitrary and subjective terms, and the 0-100 range is as arbitrary.
Metric is good for science, but not ideal for casual everyday usage of hot and cold.
That will come as a surprise to the billions of people using it every day for exactly that purpose. You are projecting your own ignorance over billions of people, because you yourself have no idea how it works.
You’re entirely right, but it’s fun to trigger people like you with a couple words that ultimately mean nothing.
You are projecting your own ignorance over billions of people, because you yourself have no idea how it works.
You mistake ignorance for simply not giving a fuck. I know what Celsius is, I know how it converts, I just don’t care.
It’s very entertaining to be able to trigger people at will to crawl out of the like bugs and talk shit online, wasting their time on a topic that doesn’t matter in the slightest. It’s usually the Europeans, they seem to have a superiority complex about this specifically for some reason and love typing at length about it. Most other countries outside the EU region don’t bother, probably because it doesn’t matter.
Also, here’s the obligatory reminder to the Europeans that the US began using metric in 1866 and officially switched to the metric system in 1975, it just wasn’t made mandatory to switch, so most didn’t. Because it doesn’t really matter for daily life which system is used.
Ah, well here’s another one of those down votes you were looking for.
Side note, I’m American. After getting a mechanical engineering degree is was clear to me that metric is just better. Maybe it doesn’t matter to you, maybe it doesn’t matter to most people, but if you actually have to spend time thinking about this stuff then it starts to matter.
Hey. Remember when the beagle spacecraft totally slammed into the Martian countryside because someone used imperial units? 2 year wait for some good times.
No, the human perception of temperature thing is a myth. Originally 0F is the freezing temperature of a brine solution, and 90F was Fahrenheit’s estimation on the average human body temperature, and then the scale was adjusted so that it fit in better with Celsius reference points (freezing/boiling points of water).
The 9 and 100 in F is a completely random range, where 0 is a random solution freezing point and 100 was an estimation. Tell me how it’s better than C, tied to water, the main stuff we all need to live in this planet and probably also for aliens in other planets.
I personally would use Kelvin for science, Celsius is much more useful for everyday things like whether it will rain or snow, whether the paths will be icy, how hot it will be according to the weather report and how hot to make stuff when boiling water or cooking. Kelvin is great for not having negative temperatures which don’t make sense.
36.5°c for people who use sane units ;)
I hate were i live, it’s our coldest time in the year and tomorrow’s high is 32.
36 is normal during the hot time of year along with massive humidity too
Imagine having to use a decimal to account for a lower resolution measurement.
I’m team metric for everything but temperature when relating to human environments.
Imagine replying to a comment 36 hours after the fact and not even having a cursory look at the comment chain to see what else has been said.
We don’t use decimals in everyday life, you don’t need to.
It was mostly a joke? I’m sorry I didn’t do a /joke to verbalize that.
I’m sorry I’m not chronically online. My “active” filter is about 12-30 hour old so I’m not chronically online as much as I was on Reddit. This is like a forum. Let’s not criticize people for not relocating quickly, please.
My apologies, I didn’t realise it was a joke seen as most people in this thread aren’t joking when they say things like that.
I don’t blame you for not chronically being online, that is a good thing rather than a bad thing, but if you were using it as a forum would you reply to a thread without actually reading through the rest of the conversation? The snide comment was mostly because I thought you were being serious and each of your points has been gone over multiple times within the tree of my original comment so I thought you were being intentionally belligerent.
Thanks so much for the chill reply :)
I’m too ADHD in that I don’t have as the replies like a conversation and reply without reading the other replies. I’ll do better to get more context before reacting quickly in the future.
Thank you! 😃
As much as I like the metric system, temperature in the world is the one place where I prefer Fahrenheit. Having to care about decimal points on a thermostat just seems like trying too hard. “Oh honey, could you turn the thermostat down to 21.1C?”
You know that 100 is hot as balls. You know 0 is cold AF. 0C is 32F. That’s not really that cold, I’m shoveling snow in a t-shirt. 0F is really that cold. It is almost more akin to a percent of comfort scale than a measurement of temperature.
It is an interesting thought experiment though, as anyone using a given measurement scale gets used to it over time. I’ve been doing dual for a while to better intuit fuzzy translations in my head without having to run a formula every time.
Just an opinion of course, and not trying to have some flagrant discussion. I’d gladly switch to Celsius if we ever finally left Freedom Units. Thus far, the only places you see it in the US is in science, medical, and pop companies selling 16.9fl oz (just shy of 500ml) beverages instead of 20, so they can milk their bubble sugar water for all the profits.
Copying this post I made elsewhere recently:
I used to say this. But being a curious person, and one willing to test my own hypothesis, I decided to learn Celsius. Like, spend enough time with it to intuitively understand it, so that I could compare the two.
Almost six years later, I haven’t switched back. I much prefer Celsius for weather. Having 0° at freezing is far more useful than I suspected it would be, and having less granular degrees gives them more meaning, which makes understanding them easier.
Seriously, I struggle to express just how useful below-freezing temperatures being negative is. -5°C means so much more to me than 23°F, and that’s after thirty years of using Fahrenheit and only six of using Celsius.
Edit: this isn’t to discount what you’re saying, just to offer my own opinion on the matter. Having experienced both, I much prefer Celsius. But obviously everyone will have their own opinions.
No one calls out decimals in Celsius. Unless you are measuring your kids fever. 38.1 vs 38.5 vs 38.9 you know that it’s time to ready the metamizole if it keeps creeping up like that
0°C is the frost point of water. If you know it will dip below that during the night, you can prepare your plants, driveway, kids (I’m sorry my love summer is over), pets, clothes, etc the day prior.
-40° is -40° though, doesn’t matter if it’s F or C. The best part of both scales.
I often hear americans (even scientists) say that they prefer the Fahrenheit scale for weather forecasts, but I believe the perceived higher accuracy is an illusion. Forecasts aren’t that accurate for any given micro climate.
For example, I don’t care if my weather forecast says 26°C or 28°C, I know it’s “short sleeves” weather and when I look at a few graphs at the end of the day, it’s been 25.6°C two meters above ground 100 meters south of me and 27.3°C in the garden, but only for 5 minutes etc.
When I switched from Fahrenheit to Celsius I used a rough heuristic to get the Fahrenheit value from Celsius. What I discovered was that my heuristic, which was rounded and would skip entire degrees Fahrenheit, matched most weather apps’ Fahrenheit value.
For example, if my app said 20°C, the other person’s said 68°F. If mine said 21°C, theirs said 70°F. If mine said 22°C, theirs said 72°F. If mine said 23°C, theirs said 73°F. It is very rare that mine has said, say, 21°C and theirs has said 69°F (or any temperature where the value was converted with decimals and then rounded).
That is to say, my experience certainly seems to indicate that for people using the same weather sources but in Fahrenheit, the value was still rounded to the nearest degree Celsius, then converted to Fahrenheit and rounded again.
That’s not to say you’ll never see 71°F or 69°F or other values that aren’t converted from an already rounded Celsius value, it all depends on what your data source is providing you. But nearly always, my rounded conversion from a rounded Celsius value matches what other people see in Fahrenheit.
This makes complete sense, because most people cannot tell the difference between 70°F and 71°F. And it’s difficult to predict regardless.
Edit: this could also just be a lack of sampling and dearth of values where the rounded-converted-rounded value differs from the converted-then-rounded value. I don’t know.
Nah, I agree 100%. Celsius is wonderful for computers and science, but the human-tolerable range is far too small. Fahrenheit is a human-based scale, with 0-100 basically corresponding to a percentage of how much heat a person is able to/forced to hold onto. At 0, you’re not really able to hold onto any heat; you quickly reach hypothermia. At 100, you’re forced to keep nearly all of your heat, and are only able to vent trace amounts; you quickly reach hyperthermia.
It turns out, people function best when they’re keeping 40-70% of their heat (depending on how they’re acclimatized, which is determined by how much brown fat they have), so those are the temperatures that are most comfortable for us.
I agree with the sentiment but -40F to 120F would do the job better
You do realize the reason fahrenheit is set up that way, is based on the human perception of temperature. 0-100 is the general range or cold to hot. Of course some inhabited areas end up outside that range a bit, because humans are adaptable but generally speaking it allows for far more graduation in every day real world scenarios. Metric is good for science, but not ideal for casual everyday usage of hot and cold.
Your body doesn’t really care what the boiling point or freezing point of water is. But you should and generally do need to preemptively plan for environments outside the fahrenheit scale.
If that was true, then we wouldn’t see people bitching about the cold while I’m out in a t-shirt and jeans in 50°F weather. Seems fucking stupid to base a measurement system on something so subjective.
That is not why fahrenheit works the way it does. This is something Americans have appropriated as a silly and poor excuse for using it. “cold” and “hot” are completely arbitrary and subjective terms, and the 0-100 range is as arbitrary.
That will come as a surprise to the billions of people using it every day for exactly that purpose. You are projecting your own ignorance over billions of people, because you yourself have no idea how it works.
You’re entirely right, but it’s fun to trigger people like you with a couple words that ultimately mean nothing.
You mistake ignorance for simply not giving a fuck. I know what Celsius is, I know how it converts, I just don’t care.
It’s very entertaining to be able to trigger people at will to crawl out of the like bugs and talk shit online, wasting their time on a topic that doesn’t matter in the slightest. It’s usually the Europeans, they seem to have a superiority complex about this specifically for some reason and love typing at length about it. Most other countries outside the EU region don’t bother, probably because it doesn’t matter.
Also, here’s the obligatory reminder to the Europeans that the US began using metric in 1866 and officially switched to the metric system in 1975, it just wasn’t made mandatory to switch, so most didn’t. Because it doesn’t really matter for daily life which system is used.
Uhhh so edgy
Epic projection comment. How very much your multi paragraph reply screams “I don’t care”.
Ah, well here’s another one of those down votes you were looking for.
Side note, I’m American. After getting a mechanical engineering degree is was clear to me that metric is just better. Maybe it doesn’t matter to you, maybe it doesn’t matter to most people, but if you actually have to spend time thinking about this stuff then it starts to matter.
You sure write a lot for someone who just doesn’t care
Lots of downtime at work at 3am. Might as well poke the Europeans since they’re awake.
Oh, just can it, American.
Hey. Remember when the beagle spacecraft totally slammed into the Martian countryside because someone used imperial units? 2 year wait for some good times.
At least it avoided the Martian urban areas.
Yes it does.
Maybe Fahrenheit is really for tardigrades. Those don’t really care about the freezing temperature of water.
No, the human perception of temperature thing is a myth. Originally 0F is the freezing temperature of a brine solution, and 90F was Fahrenheit’s estimation on the average human body temperature, and then the scale was adjusted so that it fit in better with Celsius reference points (freezing/boiling points of water).
Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
So it’s all a hack.
Like half of the things American.
You do realize that Celsius is set up based on known, objective, & measurable data points instead of subjective things like “hot” and “cold”.
The 9 and 100 in F is a completely random range, where 0 is a random solution freezing point and 100 was an estimation. Tell me how it’s better than C, tied to water, the main stuff we all need to live in this planet and probably also for aliens in other planets.
I personally would use Kelvin for science, Celsius is much more useful for everyday things like whether it will rain or snow, whether the paths will be icy, how hot it will be according to the weather report and how hot to make stuff when boiling water or cooking. Kelvin is great for not having negative temperatures which don’t make sense.