Don’t just wait passively for it, take action. Everyone can contribute and together we will achieve big things. If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.
Dont use plastic straws, drive public transport or bike, buy bio food, donate to orgs, glue yourself to the street
and maybe… just maybe… you will change fuck all
Plastic straws have almost zero to none impact on climate change. It is one of the biggest virtue signaling campaings that managed to scam shit ton of gullible people. Climate change is a never ending process, those who can alter the process have way bigger means to affect it than you and me. Regulate the companies, end the “too big to fail” market monopoly, tax the shit out of billioners. Dont fall to their diversion strategy that we are to blame for any of this shit.
It wasn’t about climate change, it was about plastic waste giving turtles straws up their nostrils.
And they still eat floating plastic that they mistake for jellyfish.
No the straw thing was about a cute kid making a science fair project about “The Dangers of Straws!” With all the thought an elementary school student could offer to the conversation that was latched onto by the media to fill a time slot and get more media buzz.
Speak concretely. What actions would you like them to take, and how will they help?
Just… y’know, take action.
You people think it will be a night and day collapse? Get real. The rich will continue to get richer and you’ll toil away in relative comfort as you do now.
It will seem far away until the day that your home is burning down or under water. And that day is coming.
The interesting part are those who still don’t write letters to their congressmen and still vote for climate deniers. I just can’t.
It would be insanely easy to solve: Not one of the billionaires out there would recognize if they only had 999 mil left and neither would anybody else. That‘s a cool 10 trillion to pay towards climate change. You‘re welcome.
That money was earned using earth, so to saving earth it goes back (because no earth, no money and our billionaire overlords suprisingly havent saved us yet.)
Though I agree with you on taking money from the rich people, that’s mostly not how it works. Most rich persons has most of his “worth” in stocks. Even scammer musk’s worth mostly is “worth” because of his ownership of Tesla and the such. He doesn’t actually have that money.
Most importantly: It’s not insanely easy to solve, Sven if you pump in trillions. Even if we stop pumping carbon in the air tomorrow it will still take centuries until the atmosphere is back to normal, barring any carbon capture.
The problem with is that the extra CO2 in the air comes from energy we took from burning fossil fuels. If we want to capture it back, we need to spend the same mount of energy that the world spent for the past, say, 2 centuries, from non carbon sources to get that done. This energy does not include the energy that the world needs to function.
That is an insane amount of energy that, again, has to come from non carbon emitting sources.
Also, until all energy comes from non carbon emitting sources, carbon capture is useless because if both you’ll spent 100 carbon for each, say, 50-70 (optimistically) carbon you capture.
If I say “Were not even close to 100% non carbon emissions in energy creation” it’s a huge understatement. I believe something around 10% of our energy production is non carbon emitting. Cars are not included.
Making all out cars electrical is also cute. It’s a nice thought if it weren’t that all that electricity still mostly comes from CO2 emitting sources so including conversion losses electrical cars may actually send more CO2 in the atmosphere.
You want to actually solve this?
Make ALL our electrical generation non CO2 emitting in the next 10 years. Air and solar are cute, but fractional and will remain that, probably for ever. We need nuclear power plants like there is no tomorrow in all countries, even the “bad” ones.
This obviously isn’t going to happen.
We will likely end up with some form of atmospheric engineering where we’re going to meas with the atmosphere, seeding clouds, or pumping other chemicals in there that negate the effects of CO2. I’m unsure what the results of that will be though
Either way, you and I will NOT see the end of this, that is for our children’s children
I’m surprised this got so many upvotes, a lot of it is factually incorrect! For instance many grids worldwide are over 50% renewables. You can scrub carbon with a net carbon loss if you use solar powered to do it.
There’s also no reason that capturing the carbon would cost all the energy that was released by burning it (you don’t have to make it into the same fuel molecule).
Honestly this sounds like climate change denier shit, “it’s too late there’s nothing we can do, buy more oil.”.
On the positive side, I agree that nuclear is great!
Just remember in 20 years when nothing changes and life proceeds as normal. No one will care what you think then because the robbery will have been done.
Nothing changes and life proceeds as normal? Have you stepped outside in the last few years? Things are already changing.
Over the history of earth, much worse happened. Statistically, this change is nothing over the millions and even billions of years.
I maintain that nothing is changing, and we don’t even have close to enough data to judge an earth that’s 4.5 billion years old to know that anything is changing because of us, and that paying politicians more is the answer.
Wow, the denial is strong. People are actively dying this year because of events that would have been statistically improbable just 10 years ago. Considering how important agriculture is to feed billions of people on a daily basis I would argue that any change to that jeopardizes our existence; and this is just one of the many effective ways that climate change could destroy modern day society.
You can believe what you want and I hope you the luck to never encounter fires, deadly weather, water or food shortages as many people today are dying from.
I’m afraid you are severely mistaken. This is only the sixth mass extinction in Earth’s history, and the first one that was caused by a species that knew what it was doing. Even on the scale of billions of years, what’s going on right now is highly unusual.
Nor would any of the other mass-extinction events have been considered “life proceeds as normal”, if there were any humans around to witness them. Certainly a huge asteroid hitting the planet and shrouding it in dust for years would have turned some heads.
Have you by any chance looked at a graph of average temperatures over time?
Over the history of earth, much worse happened. Statistically, this change is nothing over the millions and even billions of years.
Humans did not exist for most of that time, but yes it’s inconsequential to Earth that there’s warming, Earth is a rock with spinning molten metal inside so it doesn’t care. But it’s pretty fucking important to all the things living on the Earth that there’s warming beyond what they evolved to withstand.
When it comes to climate change we know the mechanism that keeps earth warmer than other random space rocks circling the sun (Greenhouse effect, which was discovered in 1856), we know which gasses contribute to that greenhouse effect, we know that we’ve added a shit ton of them which were buried for millions of years into the atmosphere, we can measure carbon dioxide and other gasses at higher volumes than they’ve been since humans existed, which also coincides with when we started releasing them in vast quantities.
After we’ve got the means, the methods, and the triggers, what more do you need to beyond a reasonable doubt to realize man made climate change?
Temperature going up over time? Over how long? 100 years compared to billions, the age of earth? Do you even understand basic statistics to calculate the confidence in such a measurement?
All the bullshit you’re parroting from television, like green house effect, is at best circumstantial evidence but it’s not proof, and it’s evidence with negligible confidence due to the huge error margin mentioned earlier. Even worse, it’s not even evidence because of the oldest rule in the book “correlation doesn’t imply causation”, yet somehow it’s still science when basic logic is broken to support a political agenda propped by ignorant people who know nothing in math and teenagers who still don’t know the difference between integrals and derivatives and cry that “math is hard”.
I hate to break it to you, but people who can’t calculate the standard error on measurements shouldn’t open their mouths about science, and certainly shouldn’t ask us to surrender all our power and money to corrupt politicians for a fictitious goal.
I’m bored of hearing all this politicized nonsense. Maybe go find a book of someone who disagrees with your opinion and learn something outside of what you learned on television.
I don’t think I’ll respond if you bore me again.
I don’t think I’ll respond if you bore me again.
This is what climate change deniers say when they realize they are in too deep and have no idea what they are talking about.
Or people who have better things to do.
OK, teenager.
I have a degree in statistics, do you understand statistics?
Correlation doesn’t imply causation. But we have casual and testable mechanisms to validate these theories and what we’re seeing. We can measure the greenhouse effect directly by experiment.
I hear your argument, Earth’s been hotter millions of years ago, sure, but that doesn’t invalidate human climate change at all.
I have a PhD in physics. I spent half of my life in labs doing measurements and calculating systematic and statistical errors on them in an experiment that collects data over years to get a single number. A good chunk of my thesis is on how to properly estimate errors in measurements that are years long. I have even worked with complicated concepts like propagating errors through mathematical models to minimize them.
No you don’t have measurements to validate anything. You have “this line goes up, this other line goes up, and we think we can explain it with green house nonsense, and hence the correlation coefficient is 1.00000”, and hence we caused it. You think I haven’t seen this nonsense? 99.99% of the people have no idea what the hell they’re talking about.
Yes, earth went hotter and colder million times before. This invalidates climate change. We have no proof, not even statistical, that humans caused anything. We only have political agendas and research groups who get funding if they agree to come to that result. And we have dumb people who don’t understand basic logic or can add two fractions parrot what the television says in fear.
