Interesting how your first thought is murder, isn’t it?
We know exactly what anarchy looks like in human history, it’s how every human society worked before agriculture started consolidating power in the hands of sociopaths.
It’s how some steppe tribes lived. It’s how most North Americans lived before Columbus.
Anarchism is the natural state of humanity because it’s just decentralized tribes at the end of the day. The only difference now would be that you know what antibiotics and crop rotations are.
I think you have a VERY warped view of native american history. These people had entire cities, there was definitely tribal hierarchy and I’m gonna be real (although I blame the education system, not you) but the perception that they were just wandering around in structureless harmony is wrong and kinda racist.
Anarchism is not when no cities and “no heirarchy at all or otherwise it doesn’t count.”
You’re right that it is painting a bit too broad a brush and ignoring things like the Missippians culture having a monarchy by all appearances but I’m spending a few sentences criticising some dude’s murder fantasy, not explaining the sum total of human history to the guy.
I think that you’re not wrong, but the historical way that these societies have handled antisocial behavior is via lynchings. I don’t know that this model works if you don’t bring back lynchings, which I personally find unpalatable.
Yeah it’s definitely the hardest question to answer imo, but you’d be surprised just how many of those problems are solved simply by society believing in the principles of innocent until proven guilty and trial by your peers instead of street executions by bully squads.
Of course #2 only happens under anarchism for some reason, right?
Realistically the hard problem is not how does anarchy deal with necessary elements of justice in any situation where you gather a bunch of apes together, it’s answering it at scale and how to balance needing professional behavior without actually creating a professional enforcement class.
Would you rather a small group of power hungry psychopath oligarchs be in charge of the lynchings according to their isolated, self-serving, sheltered, and privileged reasonings in order to maintain their status and authority? Or do you think there is some stupid super intelligence governor floating out there somewhere we need to appease for some stupid reason so it’ll invite us to the private party it’s throwing that doesn’t like it when we do that?
Interesting how your first thought is murder, isn’t it?
Lol. My scenario included literal magic. Literal magic to create an alternate reality. I know people be dumb and that’s why you have to use /s when you’re being sarcastic on the internet, but I thought people would grasp that a literal magical scenario was sarcastic. Guess I gave you too much credit. To be clear, I want them to suffer under the conditions they want for everyone else so they can hopefully learn and be less ignorant going forward.
it’s how every human society worked before agriculture
So when people used to raid other settlements and rape, murder, and enslave the occupants and take their resources for their own and you’d be lucky to live to 40 and it was probably a pretty painful 40 years. Great example you’ve got there. Sounds like a sweet reality to live in. Pre-agriculture human life was short and largely comprised of suffering.
it’s just decentralized tribes at the end of the day.
Yes, modern civilization with 8+ billion people is just tribes. Very simple. It’s all just very simple in your mind, isn’t it?
The only difference now would be that you know what antibiotics and crop rotations are.
Interesting how your first thought is murder, isn’t it?
We know exactly what anarchy looks like in human history, it’s how every human society worked before agriculture started consolidating power in the hands of sociopaths.
It’s how some steppe tribes lived. It’s how most North Americans lived before Columbus.
Anarchism is the natural state of humanity because it’s just decentralized tribes at the end of the day. The only difference now would be that you know what antibiotics and crop rotations are.
I think you have a VERY warped view of native american history. These people had entire cities, there was definitely tribal hierarchy and I’m gonna be real (although I blame the education system, not you) but the perception that they were just wandering around in structureless harmony is wrong and kinda racist.
Anarchism is not when no cities and “no heirarchy at all or otherwise it doesn’t count.”
You’re right that it is painting a bit too broad a brush and ignoring things like the Missippians culture having a monarchy by all appearances but I’m spending a few sentences criticising some dude’s murder fantasy, not explaining the sum total of human history to the guy.
I think that you’re not wrong, but the historical way that these societies have handled antisocial behavior is via lynchings. I don’t know that this model works if you don’t bring back lynchings, which I personally find unpalatable.
Yeah it’s definitely the hardest question to answer imo, but you’d be surprised just how many of those problems are solved simply by society believing in the principles of innocent until proven guilty and trial by your peers instead of street executions by bully squads.
Of course #2 only happens under anarchism for some reason, right?
Realistically the hard problem is not how does anarchy deal with necessary elements of justice in any situation where you gather a bunch of apes together, it’s answering it at scale and how to balance needing professional behavior without actually creating a professional enforcement class.
I feel like anarchism needs at least a basic answer to these questions before it can be taken seriously
There are literally libraries of answers, feel free to try reading even one book from them, you might even find an answer you like.
If you can’t explain it, you don’t understand it
Would you rather a small group of power hungry psychopath oligarchs be in charge of the lynchings according to their isolated, self-serving, sheltered, and privileged reasonings in order to maintain their status and authority? Or do you think there is some stupid super intelligence governor floating out there somewhere we need to appease for some stupid reason so it’ll invite us to the private party it’s throwing that doesn’t like it when we do that?
This isn’t an either/or situation. It isn’t have anarchy or have psychopath oligarchs be in charge.
The fact that you need to create this obscene scenario to prove your point indicates how weak your point is.
You were speaking in black and white logic, I just figured that’s what we were doing here. Is that not what’s going on?
Lol. My scenario included literal magic. Literal magic to create an alternate reality. I know people be dumb and that’s why you have to use /s when you’re being sarcastic on the internet, but I thought people would grasp that a literal magical scenario was sarcastic. Guess I gave you too much credit. To be clear, I want them to suffer under the conditions they want for everyone else so they can hopefully learn and be less ignorant going forward.
So when people used to raid other settlements and rape, murder, and enslave the occupants and take their resources for their own and you’d be lucky to live to 40 and it was probably a pretty painful 40 years. Great example you’ve got there. Sounds like a sweet reality to live in. Pre-agriculture human life was short and largely comprised of suffering.
Yes, modern civilization with 8+ billion people is just tribes. Very simple. It’s all just very simple in your mind, isn’t it?
Yes, those are the only differences…
Sorry, can you put your dick away? It’s rude to publicly masturbate that heavily no matter how into your fantasy you are.