I have a very pragmatic view on music: all I care about is whether it sounds good or not. That’s it. That’s literally it. And from that standpoint the advent of AI music has been a major net positive for me.

You can choose to ignore that and come tell me about the ethics of using AI or how you care about the story behind the song and so on and that’s all fine but just note that you’re no longer addressing what I’m actually saying here.

I’m also not claiming it’s great - only that it’s good. I’ve yet to discover an AI song that I go back to like I do with many human-made songs but if I want to put on a playlist playing in the background then one consisting of entirely AI-made music reliably provides me well above average track after another whereas with organic music I need to sift through a ton of absolute crap to stumble upon the occasional good track that still rarely exceeds what AI is able to output. I can go on YouTube and put on a 2 hour playlist of Jazz House or similar and I don’t get the urge to skip a single track.

Currently I feel like where AI still trips is lyrics - they still are only plausible sounding nonsense once you actually start paying attention to it but especially for instrumental music it has far exceeded the level of a good average human artist.

Few examples of what I’m refering to: with vocals and without.

  • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    11·
    6 days ago

    That imaginary Nutella is starting to sound a lot like this thread as you crash out. OP has provided a reasonable use and also true unpopular opinion.

    If you think AI sucks for every application, good for you; I would disagree and different opinions are allowed. If you think the way AI has come about and been served up to us is morally questionable as well as outrageous in comparison to resources involved (water, money, electricity) I agree.

    If you’re going to argue “they stole our shit” I’m going to laugh at you for expecting privacy on the Internet, and then point to every argument anyone on Reddit or Lemmy has ever used before installing the arr suite.

    Your opinion is well established, you don’t need to take every comment to double down on it: OP likes background music nobody explicitly made, and I like not writing my own SQL queries 🤷.

    • NoForwadSlashS@piefed.socialEnglish
      11·
      6 days ago

      I feel like you missed all the nuance, because my top notch analogies seem to be “crashing out”, so let me break it down for you:

      Nutella, exactly like it is now

      Ok so this is the delicious base, created by humans for humans. Artisanal, words, sounds and images that you can consume every day.

      except there are tiny bits of shit mixed in (percieveable to the eye, nose and tongue)

      This is the AI part where it has mashed a bunch if existing stuff together based only on patterns and made something music-ish, with whatever it could scrape from wherever.

      and we also shoot 10 orangutans every time you buy a jar

      This is the part where you’re right about stealing shit being totally fine, like Nestlé selling peoples drinking water (that I can only assume you are all for). Commerical LLMs both take people’s private resources and also damage the resources of the rest of the planet, whatever you use them for. So maybe I should have said 100 orangutans to be more accurate.

      But this time “we are providing jobs to prop up the economy”,

      This is a little joke I threw in about capitalism where big companies always say this to make any shitty thing they do seem worthwhile.

      so if you let our company fail the stock market tanks and we cause the next great depression.

      This is an evidence based assertion based on previous examples of forced bailouts for shitty businesses because they were propping up whole economies with their inflated values. Which can be directly compared to the current state of the AI bubble.

      People could only be happy about that product, otherwise they must be trolls.

      This is a little commentary on you and your “different opinions”. You can’t be ok with AI while recognising the impact. It’s not actually like Nutella, which is a calorie dense and cheap food which people ignore the environmental impact of because it’s a cheap and delicious product and they need to eat to live. Yeah you probably need it specifically but I can forgive people buying cheap food. Generative AI is not a necessity. It’s a luxury product that provides literally nothing to keep anyone alive or advance anything of value.

      And comparing piracy to LLM training is also a weak take. You can see with Disney strong arming companies that this is doing nothing to impact copyright law and you, as a private citizen, will still be arrested if you download books and try to sell them on as a new product. All it does is shift all of the wealth from individual creators to large corporations.

      But you already know all this and I don’t need to keep doubling down. I forgot.