We really are not beating the dead internet allegations with this one

Do I not understand or am I being deliberately obtuse? Get your story straight.

In that case though thanks for proving my point. Allow me to edit my reply.

did I say that gamergate participants were career politicians? Do you think I think they had the ability to pass laws?

Yes, you did, you compared this issue to the civil rights era, and then you went on to compare it to gamergate, as if all things were equal between them. Welcome to the transitive property! Or are you now saying that this situation is not comparable to gamergate? Hey look, I can be condescending too! Know why? Well cause, I don’t think you’re an ally >:(

I was using that example to demonstrate why the comparison was insulting, because, as we both agree, internet critics are in fact not politicians. Taking normal people criticising someone, whose internet presence thoroughly warrants criticism; and comparing that to a fight against the American ruling class, to win human rights for a group of people whose humanity is absolutely not up for critique or questioning; shows you don’t give a fuck about civil rights beyond the era’s ability to serve you in an argument. The fact you’re still doubling down on it is very telling.

I’m not being obtuse, I’m very openly refusing to entertain your argument because it trivializes a serious issue that is deeply important to me. This is the most stunning display of dunning-kreuger I have ever witnessed. Nice alt btw. Pretentious ass bad faith radlib. Ick.

suggesting that any and all criticism towards any woman on the internet simply must be based on her gender

I haven’t said that.

Do you know what the term “suggest” means? Have you witnessed the other people in this thread whose behavior you are trying to explain? Did you not literally follow that up by saying “I don’t think you’re an ally”? An ally with whom? What am I then?

did I say that gamergate participants were career politicians? Do you think I think they had the ability to pass laws?

You made the comparison to the rhetoric about forced bussing in the civil rights era??? I said it was an insulting comparison, then you doubled down, and now here you are agreeing that it’s a bad comparison because you think I made it.

Uh. Sexism is bad, I think.

Somebody should award you a nobel peace prize. That doesn’t explain why people are defending this particular artist so fervently or any significant events that would qualify as a “quick overview of the situation”?

Lol. Lmao even. And I’m the one being “deliberately obtuse”. Holy fuck you’re annoying, your arguments are bad, and the fact you avoid the actual argument; where one might actually prove sexism, rather than make a bunch of paranoid conjecture about people engaging in the age old tradition of gossip; is not a point in your favor. You have not “earned” the right to condescend, nor to decide who is and is not an ally. This isn’t even what I was asking about in the first place and you’re really only proving my point. Go away.

I pity you.

Uh, they spent the small amount of energy it takes to leave a few comments on the internet because the same painfully unfunny comic strip keeps coming up in their feed and they don’t understand where the popularity comes from? That’s why I’m here at least. Lemmy is still relatively small, I don’t get that many posts to interact with. If it’s so much energy to spend, then I’m fundamentally asking the same question as you. Why are these people spending so much of their energy defending her?

I don’t see why it has to be anything more than that and I really don’t appreciate the condescension, to suggest that I’ve fallen for some rhetorical manipulation that you think you’re somehow immune from. Yes, I was also here on the internet when those things were happening. It’s not that I don’t understand it, it’s that this is not that. There are legitimate reasons to dislike this person and their comics.

Do you really think that being annoying like this; suggesting that any and all criticism towards any woman on the internet simply must be based on her gender; is going to dispel negative attention from actual sexists? Do you really think that you aren’t gonna get a lot of false positives, from people simply expressing their legitimate criticisms on a platform specifically made for the purpose, and push those people away from whatever your message is by presuming to know what they are thinking and aggressively using that to condescend to them and dismiss anything they have to say?

Also yes, it was very obvious even to the least politically engaged person that gamergate was about sexism. Yes, even as it was happening. That’s like the whole reason people took part in it. They knew what they were doing just as well as the people calling them on it and were pretty open about their sexism. They weren’t career politicians trying to pander to a racist base without sparking major backlash, so they could quietly pass laws to prevent integration; they were gamers having their little boys club on the internet, being flagrantly sexist and bad faith. What even is this line of reasoning??

If you like this person as an artist and identify with the comic you can just say that and engage normally, if you don’t then why would you go out of your way to defend them and suggest that their gender has anything to do with it? You don’t have to keep explaining the same point, I know what you’re saying and I disagree.

Is it? I’ve never seen this before and seen lots of this artist’s comics posted here. It does seem it’s just as much one side as it is the other though.

Also I understand the concept of fear mongering veiled bigotry. That doesn’t even remotely appear to be what is happening here and, not to be overly pearl clutch-y, but as somebody with intimate knowledge of this history I honestly find the comparison to the civil rights era insulting. People expressing their dislike of an artist with questionable behavior on the internet is not the same thing as politicians in the real world using fear tactics as a fig leaf for their racist goals of preventing black people from fully integrating into american society.

I understand you mean well but this doesn’t really answer for me why the defensiveness is so over the top.

You seem to enjoy being annoying for the sake of being annoying, but that doesn’t mean anyone else does. Seems like a pretty lonely hobby actually.

I’ve only seen this artist reposted on lemmy and never knew the first thing about her other than her comics being pretty bland and art unimpressive despite being frequently posted, what is going on with all these people white knighting for her?? If you like her, cool. If you don’t like her, also cool?? What is the problem here??

The closest thing to “harassing” I’ve witnessed is of those with fairly reasonable criticism of the comic presented to us, accusing them of harassing an artist that isn’t even on this platform.

Can you give me a quick overview of the situation?

Aliexpress will usually display the lowest price out of all the options under a listing. It’ll show the wrong picture for it though. So, say you’re searching for a 32oz pitcher and there’s a listing with options that go from 64oz down to 8oz. It’ll display the picture for the one you’re searching for but since the price for the smaller one is lower, it’ll show you that price to get you to click. Or if you’re looking for a mop with a bucket but the listing also has replacement pads under it for the mop, you can get the picture of the mop with the price for the pads. The prices for the individual options stays firm though (within reason, let’s say a single day of browsing).

Lol. I’m talking about the party as a whole. The ones you speak of that use their power to put down revolution and progressive candidates like Bernie alike, but appear “powerless” to do anything else like “stop fascism”. What interest does that party have in stopping fascism?

See, it’s not a dynamic where they are all-powerful in one aspect and powerless in another. It’s that their interests are very heavily weighted to the first aspect, and that informs their behavior.

So tell me, why should they care? Why should they go out of their way? They won’t be the ones directly affected and in fact it’s a great campaign tool if their opponent is openly fascist. Not to mention the money being made off of it. If they get accused of allowing fascism to take root they can just say they were powerless to stop it, and you fuckers will believe them. Tell me how this isn’t a net positive for anybody, without an identity that lands them or their loved ones directly in the crosshairs (i.e. the vast majority), that has a ruling class position in society?

What legitimate personal interest do establishment democrats have in stopping fascism?

Can we stop saying this? This might have been the case 10 years ago when conventional bulbs were the better established headlight standard but they’re coming off the line like this these days. It has nothing to do with the housing and everything to do with the height they sit at, where they’re aimed, and the brightness.

I’m really sorry you feel that way, genuinely, but this deeply antisocial sentiment is not a depiction of a reality that is compatible with human life. Please seek help from a qualified professional. I mean that.

I disagree strongly and I don’t think you get what I’m saying. It’s not a competition and there’s no need to dismiss the feelings of one side or the other. If you are a man, and especially if you are occupied by a specific focus on men, you cannot know the extent of women’s loneliness or the impact that it has on women. The same goes vice versa. The issue is too nebulous, too subjective and complexly intertwined with too many different aspects of our lives as humans. It’s a fool’s errand.

It doesn’t matter who has it harder, because the root cause is the same. Addressing this root cause will help every person experiencing loneliness in the modern age regardless of gender. Any other solution is just treating the symptoms and will inevitably result in people being left out and marginalized. People who matter. It will inevitably result in division, which hurts our ability to unite and fight for a common cause.

This stoking of a needless war between the genders is a counter-revolutionary tactic employed by the ruling class to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of challenging their power. They want us focused on pushing forward half-measures; measures that can be easily struck down, agitated against, that will keep us going in circles; measures that do not fundamentally challenge the systems that created these issues in the first place and, in fact, depend on the persistence of these issues.

I don’t think the loneliness epidemic is uniquely male though. It’s an affliction of this entire generation. There is a specific subset of men that have been radicalized against women as a scapegoat for the loneliness they feel, but the true cause is increasing social alienation driven by capitalism. The specific mechanism not being limited to the commodification of our attention that has been enabled by the advent of high speed internet.

Reading isn’t your strong suit, is it?

So you understand that the Democrats willfully lost the election by supporting genocide; that that was the choice they made as a party, and the voters’ response to that decision was a very predictable one; but you still have energy to debate anyone who would dare to criticize and take the same principled position against them?

Doesnt mean I want to bring genocide home.

Oh, I see. It’s okay as long as it’s over there. Well then Trump’s genocide should be fine because you didn’t immigrate over the southern border. Resistance is not necessary, go home everybody. Everything will be fine as long as we all make sure to vote as hard as we can!!

whether they understand it or not

If such a thing can be done without understanding, how do you know that you aren’t the one who has been pushed to the right and that you aren’t doing the work of dragging others along with you?

Surely nobody thought of this 20 years ago when George fucking Bush was in office. Or 40 years ago when Reagan was in office. This idea of pushing the liberal party left and running locally is a totally fresh and original idea and definitely isn’t a distraction from organizing the working class into a force of its own which demands concessions from the ruling class at the threat of upheaval.