It was until it became clear that you either can’t or won’t comprehend the obvious fact that you can tell some people are trans. What your reasoning for that is doesn’t matter. I’m no longer interested in debating self evident statements with you.

You’re either being intentionally obtuse or are actually just dumb. Either way I’ve spent more time explaining this simple concept to you than it should take so I’m done with this. Feel free to call me transphobic since that’s clearly the only answer you were ever going to accept

No

You’re crossing wires a bit here. The first one doesn’t matter too much but it’s that I never actually said this person looks trans. Someone else did and I confirmed that it is a thing, although not necessarily in this particular case.

The main confusion seems to be that you don’t think trans people can have distinctive features brought on by surgery or hormone therapy. Some of them definitely do. There are other kinds of tells that apply to people who get other types of work done. MAGA face is one example. Different groups of people tend to get different types of work done and groups of similar people tend to have similar work done. It’s certainly not universal but it’s enough to notice a pattern with specific types of people. This applies to all groups of people who get work done, but it does present differently for each group.

It shouldn’t be controversial to say that surgery oftentimes leaves clues that it was performed or that lots of trans people have had surgery. Those are just two facts about the world that have nothing to do with any kind of moral judgement on trans people.

The statement you quoted is the most general statement I made. It was worded that way precisely because this phenomenon is not exclusive to trans people. That’s just how the topic came up.

So no, it makes no difference that this guy isn’t trans because that’s only one subset of visible characteristics brought on by body modification that we’re talking about. There are many other kinds, some of which definitely apply to him.

You are welcome to your own interpretation of the world but I think most people would agree that there is a common set of characteristics associated with any kind of surgical or hormonal body modification. You are right when you say that some trans people exhibit those characteristics more than others but they definitely exist. You don’t have to ignore that reality to avoid being bigoted towards trans people.

That may be true but it doesn’t impact whether or not such a “look” exists. The intent of the person pointing something out is not relevant to the existence of the thing being described.

Just so happens I have some myself. It is air pressure based.

It’s pretty good stuff. Plant based, easy to apply, higher smoke point than olive oil.

Doesn’t mean it’s not a thing

It doesn’t work that way. There will be many reasons to celebrate, sure, but this problem doesn’t go away with a few obituaries.

Then acknowledge you’re making a conscious choice to accept the sandwich someone else made

Surely it’s illegal to post profanity in a community with the word shit in the title?

Same. When I first started down that path I kept finding posts about how it was impossible to set up and maintain but it’s been pretty painless for me. I basically had no clue what I was doing and I figured it out just fine.

I’m mildly disappointed

I am curious if I’m on the list but not enough to find it and look. I guess I’ll never know

No

Nothing I’ve said should be interpreted as me advocating for a rule or enforcement standard of any kind. I’m talking about the way individuals think about this topic. You’re just as free to put your sweaty bare ass cheeks on the chair I’m about to sit on at the gym as I am to call you a disgusting asshole for doing so. I don’t get why you would want to though.

There’s a difference between being technically allowed to do something and that thing being a good idea to actually do. Society functions best when people make decisions with others in mind. Sure, you can make most decisions with the “fuck you, it’s not illegal” mindset but is a society where everyone lives that way the kind of place you want to live?

It’s not only beautiful people that dress this way and that’s part of the problem with voicing an opinion on this topic. When you say “people don’t need to be mostly naked in the gym” everyone pictures an attractive young woman wearing an outfit they don’t personally mind. What I’m saying applies to fat old men, young girls, middle aged housewives, basement dwelling dweebs, and all the other groups of people you may encounter at the gym. If an outfit isn’t cool for everyone to wear then it shouldn’t be cool for the attractive exhibitionist to wear either.

This is a dumb response to the issue but some people, both men and women, do show up to the gym in outfits that are viewed as inappropriate in a vast majority of other places. It’s not terribly difficult to keep your attention focused elsewhere but it is understandable that some want to be able to get in a work out without other people’s asses in their face on a constant basis.

I’m sure most of Lemmy will call that opinion prudish or something similar but everyone is entitled to their own thoughts on stuff like that. It’s true that fashion is a personal choice but I don’t see why you would want to do things you know will make others uncomfortable either.