For some people, they don’t actually care about the politics of FOSS; they want a portfolio for employers.

Affect other distros?

Hopefully, they’ll all get something better then cloud-init.

Canonical pumps out dumb stuff.

Fair, the patches don’t have to be accepted. 🙂

Would it be bound by the GPL? Companies love writing shims, and the Linux kernel is pro-business. It is specifically GPLv2 to allow companies to use it in closed source applications. TiVo is the poster child for this.

Anything running in user space isn’t considered a derivative work. The kernel ABI specifically allows for this. A closed source application could run on top of the Linux kernel and not have to be released.

Applications linking to a GPL library, glibc excluded, would have to be released since that would constitute a derivative work.

I’m the PS6 scenario, we would probably get very little usable code. The GPL is old, and companies have had lots of time to work around it.

Companies are just taking BSD code and don’t contribute to it.

There isn’t a lot of evidence of this.

At the end they’re selecting Linux even if there’s licensing risk and they have contribute to code.

This is at odds with the first statement. Companies also aren’t contributing as much code as they should.

Also companies which want to support Linux don’t have to worry that someone would close their code or code they funded with money. It’s not about competition but collaboration.

Yeah, inertia is a thing. It’s why Windows is so dominant. The BSDs were rather competitive with Linux back in the early ‘90s - ‘00s.

This might have been a reason in the ‘90s IBM picked Linux as the Unix successor, but now it’s about inertia and a baseless OS is pretty handy.

It was also never about collaboration. It was always MAD doctrine. Each company had a pack of lawyers ready. The GPL isn’t the most battle tested.

GPL license allowed us also to sell own open-source solutions.

This isn’t the flex you think it is.

Instead of being ready to use solutions…

The BSDs are full operating systems. Batteries are included in the repo.

Linux requires adding lots of other software to make the kernel useful. When people say “It’s GNU/Linux”, this is what they mean. The Linux kernel + the GNU tools make an OS.

…they’re trying to be base for commercial closed-source products and it would be great as contributors could get something from that, but they get nothing.

They are not. They are existing as their own projects. ☺️

Most FOSS devs get nothing. 🤣 GPL, BSD, Apache… It doesn’t matter. The capitalists plunder the commons making money off of other’s hard work.

I understand that BSD see closed source as something cool and way to commercialize software,…

They really don’t. They just want to work on their projects in peace.

…but in today times where a lot of devices have 24/7 access to internet, microphones, cameras and at the same time to sensitive data it’s extremely dangerous. Closed source is used to hide backdoors, acts of surveillance and keeping monopoly on market which obviously stop evolution of software.

Ummm…. That’s not BSD specific. FOSS software gets used for this as well. All those surveillance devices are probably running some sort of Linux.

There are binary firmware blobs and all sorts of stuff. The Linux kernel is GPLv2 specifically to allow this.

The DMCA’s anti-encryption circumvention is used to chill software evolution and lock up code more than anything. BSDs only ask that people don’t GPL their stuff.

Companies play all sorts of games with code, and there isn’t a guarantee that what is in the repo is what people are running. We need reproducible builds to know the software is clean, and without that, software is not trustworthy.

This is bigger than the license on the code. This is about processes and culture.

Please tell me how BSD license can be good solution for operating system.

The code is still open, and the repos will still exist if a fork is created. Sony forks FreeBSD for PS6, and nothing happens to FreeBSD. It still exists, and it still works. The added bonus is not having to deal with Sony, or other people, trying to upstream stuff that doesn’t make sense outside of the PS environment and would have questionable value to others.

There are lots of ways companies get around the GPL, and most are GPL sanctioned.

Starting a company, use the GPL. Starting a project for fun, use whatever because the companies are going to steal it anyway if it’s good.

This is the thing that people overlook. Carrying a patch set is a burden, and companies have to maintain the patch set. Upstream isn’t going to care about the patch set because not their problem, and they will make changes which benefit the open code in their repos.

I’ve seen a company modify a FOSS project to fit their needs and get stuck with a multi-year old version because their changes were incompatible with never versions. They had to scrap the system and start over.

Regardless of license, not contributing upstream creates a problem unless the company has the stomach to support the whole thing on their own.

The devs won’t optimize anything. Our problems are not their problems.

Optimization happens when people have time to sit down and reason about the code. A hardware crunch isn’t going to give people more time. The assembly line is going to run at the same pace regardless, and devs are going to churn out the same junk they always have.

It isn’t a lack of limited hardware holding them back. Old, junky hardware has existed since nearly the beginning of the information technology, so a hardware crunch isn’t going to affect anything.

We should. It’s a good abstractions for document conversion.

GPU drivers and DEs lagging behind, mostly.

Something like Fedora which releases newer code quicker will provide a better desktop/laptop experience. It’s the same reason other stable distros, like the EL distros, aren’t the best for desktops/laptops.

Historically, desktop applications would also be versions behind, but Flatpak really helps with this.

At this point, Debian is probably fine as a distro for a few year old computer that won’t be helped by fractional scaling. Pick a DE and install applications from Flathub.

Vim/Emacs + Some Markup Language + LaTeX Template + Pandoc

Yeah, word processors are garbage.

Oddly, Google Docs is the least junky one, probably because JS had a bunch of limitations at the time it was started, and Google had to limit the features.

I’ve been pretty happy with Pandoc, some LaTeX, and scripts. It’s not for everyone, but it works for me.

I used to work at a company where this was in the KB. 😐

It’s 2026, we can do whatever we want.

It’s a casserole with crust.

FreeIPA covers most scenarios. Kerberos, Dynamic DNS/DNS, LDAP.

GPO equivalency would need some config management tool. Ansible is what RH would suggest, but something with an agent would probably be better.

Bombs from Raytheon are environmentally friendly. Making war environmentally friendly is what Raytheon is all about. Raytheon a green company! 👍🏽

Is there a credit I’m missing?

Yeah, stupid shit is stupid shit.

A better front suspension setup would make the car more forgiving though. Most of it is on Ford for not fixing their setup.

It’s making fun of the Tesla person, and every bench racer who bags on other cars because they don’t have the numbers to beat a Camry.

Corvette guy is out enjoying his corvette.

It’s the lack of camber in their front suspension setup, from what I’ve heard.

The solid rear axle is bad when they hit a bump mid-corner and hop, but it’s the lack of camber in the front tires which makes them especially problematic in spins. It takes cat like reactions to catch a mustang, which very few people have.

I guess the fun of spinning into a ditch or other people is part of the mustang mystique, so it never gets fixed.