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for myself I find the existing android clients far from adequate. if you have filters, folders, identities etc it is a fuck tonne of set up. last time i tried i just gave up.

a network between networks to make them more resilient i think you’ve just invented the arpanet?.

It seems that hourly rates of german lawyers are €100 to €500 which is about what I would expect. Even a few hours of time is a lot. To explain the case, have the lawyer or their designate review it, prepare for a case and show up to court is many hours at a minimum. Even if it is a simple matter.

it isn’t known which side is in the right

vs

If the defendent is obviously in the right

But the defendant still has to put the funds up in the first place? It’s a huge gamble and most people don’t even have the ante available.

Is there anywhere in the world that has a robust and comprehensive public funding for legal entanglements of all types?

tell me why i shouldn’t use plex as I’m always tempted by it whenever these threads come up and everyone who uses it is so happy.

But free/libre is so much more delicious.

But don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

they don’t want to do it as a hobby. they want to have other hobbies.

Hello I have also literally spent thousands of hours on the general topic of self hosting and related stuff such as linux, filesystems, networking, hardware, software etc etc. Yes, it is possible to be this stupid.

Here is my simple math:

2000 hours / 12 hour days = 167 days. I have been generally building up on this subject for about 10 years. And in COVID I had a lot of blocks of days where I was just at the computer. For more than 12 hours. I think I have easily spent more than 2000 hours.

I still have extremely rickety set up that mostly isn’t doing any of the things I want. It’s fine for me because I have learned a lot, have fun, and nothing is mission critical. If I had money/business that was reliant on this I would absolutely pay someone! That is just part of doing business. Especially if anyone else was at all reliant upon it. If I have employees or the work I do is important than it is only respectful and professional to swallow the costs to ensure it is done at quality. And even if its just for my own use, not everyone enjoys this stuff and still want to be free of google etc.

Everyone here reminds me of all the shitty landlords who do such a bad job of “fixing” things themselves instead of paying the going rate for a trade to come do it right and to code. Like 3 visits to install an interior doorknob and never getting it right. Like dude, just admit you aren’t any good at installing doorknobs. And please don’t go near the plumbing.

I have been on lots of old forums too. That is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the ability to investigate the typos on the old forum posts. How often are you on some phpBB site thinking “this would be so much better if I could see what incorrect information was edited out in 2009.”? Nobody fucking cares.

yo this isn’t the government.

You seem to be wanting a platform on which to conduct official, auditable conversations which are subject to accountability in the form of total mutual surveillance. For some reason pinning these hopes to a random project with a sewer rat for a mascot.

The internet has been going on for like 50 years now, people have been pulling all manner of flame war shenanigans and this has like never been a significant problem. Because if a conversation is being watched by a lot of people, there are always others who saw the original post who can corroborate the change. And if it isn’t, who the fuck cares? Like I said to OP, if you are getting into a lot of petty flame wars and feel you need this sort of thing, learn to take a screen shot or use some of the other many client side or 3rd party tools available just for this kind of suspicion. For the most part it is some kind of online urban legend tho. Plenty of people are saying all kinds of stupid bullshit online, no need for others to plot and plan to trick them into doing so. Whoever is looking to find stupid bullshit can find it without resorting to trickery, in any variety they choose.

I actually don’t think it is required to trust people on a forum in the way you suggest.

If I was in what I perceived to be a really high stakes discussion (read: flamewar) where I was worried about this, I would take my own measures to ensure I could “trust” the other parties. I would save my own copies locally. Reddit RES had a button you could add client side for just this kind of petty bullshit. If you really want the feature, implement it in your browser/device.

Really though friend, try to have a bit of a sense of humor and distance from your online posting and interactions with unknown people. If someone is going to such lengths as to edit their post so it looks like you are responding to something else to make you look bad, it is either: a) a boring joke, or b) they are really pathetic and sad trying to sabotage you. Either way, it’s not the end of the world. If it sticks in your craw, you can just go edit your comment to say “edit: the comment to which I am replied was substantially edited after I posted so what I said no longer applies”. You can either delete what you said, or correct it, or leave it as-is with a caveat.

also some people did learn english (or whatever language is being used) yesterday and they might notice something confusing about their post after creating it… why let it persist

To draw attention to an edit, for example to correct an erroneous statement, use a combination of strikethrough and bold (or italic if more appropriate):

Joe Hill, who wrote songs about union organizing, was framed and hung executed by firing squad by the state of Utah in 1915.

Joe Hill, who wrote songs about union organizing, was framed and ~~hung~~ **executed by firing squad** by the state of Utah in 1915.

increased hosting costs

Should be minimal since it’s text. In fact, a lot of my edits reduce posts since I use it to add an edit that I would’ve needed to post in multiple sub-threads.

If you make a post which is 1000 chars in length, then you edit it to be only 800 chars, the 1000 chars still need to be stored. And federated and everything. That is the actual idea being presented here. It might not be a total of 1000+800=1800 chars because there are clever ways of compressing stuff, but it is still >1000 and certainly >800. And as @fartsparkles also pointed out you need to track meta data for each edit in addition to the text.

It doesn’t cause clutter in Wikipedia, so it’s not inherently a poor UX choice.

Interesting comparison. Wikipedia has a very robust system for tracking changes, because it is a core feature of the project. It is a collection of collaboratively edited documents. Since that’s the whole idea of the project, they have rules, software, code, humans, robots, meetings, arguments, computers, etc to manage it because it is really complicated.

Sometimes, it is too much and they just wipe it away https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selective_deletion

Threadiverse is not a collaboratively edited collection of documents so why introduce that? There is no compelling argument presented.

Also mentioned is git, which like wikipedia is primarily a tool for collaborative editing. It also has the ability to permanently remove: https://git-scm.com/docs/git-filter-branch Not to mention using git is a very specialized skill primarily attained through formal education and employment.

Both wikimedia and git are known as very complicated to use pieces of software which take years of practice to be good at. Both have their own subcultures. They have to be like this because they are trying to accomplish a complicated task, which is to allow large number of people to collaborate together. I think compare/contrasting these to threadiverse does a great deal to show what actually happens when you need to have changetracking like this and how difficult it is to design properly in such a way that it can be easily used by a common person without significant study.

better done on the client side with a browser extension

or fuck it, install a keylogger on yourself

disagree because for example

• reading sequentially posted items when the original author wishes to correct themselves is really annoying

• there are reasons other than personal embarrassment someone would want to correct something they’d said. like if you give advice but later realize the advice could be dangerous for a group of people you hadn’t considered