Yep, a lot of people forget that feminism is in fact an important tenet of leftism. Been seeing a lot of male chauvinism across Lemmy on both sides of the political divide, kinda sad really.

think he’s accelerating the decline of the US empire. And I think a new multipolar world with China taking on a leading role will emerge shortly. Within a few years at latest.

Thinking of geopolitics as a polarity is a way to make a complex subject more digestible, however when it’s examined against actual history its highly reductive.

Even when the world was less complicated and communist nations weren’t a hodgepodge of mixed markets, nothing was delineated so cleanly into something as simple as multipolarism.

Democratic capitalist nations still overthrew emerging capitalist democracies, communist nations still went to war with other communist nations. I think it’s a bit optimistic to believe that political and economic instability inexplicably births unity.

Lol, not even trying anymore. That’s cool, projection is a helluva drug.

could ask you why liberal trolls all have the same script too.

Yes, everyone who is critical of a pretend campist is a liberal… At least you’re not even denying that you’re just a Russian nationalist.

Have a good one

There’s no fundamental difference between Russian and western oligarchs having influence over Ukraine.

That’s a non sequitur from the discussion we were talking about.

Yeah, that’s not what happened.

I guess it’s inarguable since you said it with such conviction…

Claiming that these people represent majority of Ukrainians is the height of intellectual dishonesty

“As for the conflict itself, over 50% sided with the protesters and volunteers. More than half of the respondents discountenanced the authorities and pro-government anti-Maidan protesters. The main adversary of the Euromaidan was Viktor Yanukovych and his closest allies, 71% of the pollees believe.”

It’s fairly unanimous that the protest were mainly against Viktor Yanukovych.

Not surprisingly, you’re once again making statements at odds with the basic facts of the situation.

Wow, such a good argument. How can anyone compete with the sophisticated rebuttal of “not uh”.

guess you’ll just keep repeating this like baby Goebbels

Hmmm… I can’t refute this fact, I guess I’ll just call anyone who disagrees with me a Nazi. Big brain move.

The substack points to plenty of sources to substantiate the argument.

First of all, half of the links in that substack are dead. Secondly, just because you claim a piece of evidence substanciates your argument doesn’t make it true. Having a link saying 6 people from America went and observed an election, doesn’t mean they were part of an overall conspiracy to overthrow a country. Especially considering the people in that country attribute the actual rebellion as a response to Yanukovych sicking the police on a peaceful protest.

I’m not attacking the “evidence” in the substack, I’m attacking the overall narrative that run counter to reality.

Nobody said they’re solely responsible for regime change.

You haven’t offered any other reasoning…

to put more effort into your trolling to make it less transparent at least.

Lol, anytime anyone disagrees with you it’s trolling.

US is capitalizing on it and has done so since 2014.

By taking away the wealth of the oligarchs who supposedly handed over power to the US in the first place? Sure.

Maybe learn a bit about the subject you’re attempting to debate as not to make a clown of yourself in public.

Man, you really are just a broken record. What is your obsession with clowns?

Why is it that all Russian nationalist argue in the same exact way?

I wouldn’t bother too much, he’s not arguing in good faith. He’s just a Russian nationalist pretending to be a campist. Capitalist imperialism is a disease and needs to be stomped out…except for in Russia, which is totally going to be socialist any day now.

didn’t have any actual point to make here.

Being purposely obtuse is not a rebuttal…

was independent in a sense of having sovereign domestic policy which it lost after the coup by the west.

Just because the people of Ukraine overthrew a government that was being controlled by the benefactors of Russian capital for a government controlled by people who want to take loans from the US and Western Europe does not mean there was a “coup by the west”.

Not surprisingly you are stripping any sense of autonomy from the people of Ukraine. Could it be that the people of Ukraine were just tired of being the poorest nation in Europe despite their size, agricultural output, and mineral wealth?

Ukraine was allowed to stay independent then the war would not have happened

Meaning if Ukraine had continued to be controlled by oligarchs loyal to Russia, Russia wouldn’t have had to invade. Sure.

We’ve already established that it’s actually that the west that wants to maintain control over Ukrainian politics as was evidenced by the west overthrowing the government in Ukraine.

I don’t think posting the substack of an author who works for the Russian media is really enough to establish anything. The guy is clearly not a reliable narrator, and his “evidence” is hardly sufficient to validate his claims.

shred of intellectual integrity.

Lol, the pot calling the kettle black.

Literally that org that is known for doing regime change around the world.

Every powerful nation in the world has lobbying groups of a similar order. Saying that they are solely responsible for regime change all over the world is just reductionist and ignores the autonomy of the people in those nations.

The whole western proxy war is backfiring right now as well.

So America is so powerful they can overthrow a nation with a ngo, but so weak they can’t capitalize on it… curious.

As opposed to the oligarchic system in the west?

Did I deny that the west had its own oligarchic system? No, it wasn’t pertinent because we were talking about Ukraine prior to 2014.

Your claim was that Ukraine was “independent”, when in reality the majority of the wealth was held by Ukrainian oligarchs with deep ties to Russian capital.

Russia wanting to maintain economic relations with Ukraine isn’t the conspiracy theory you seem to think it is.

Russia wanting to maintain control of Ukrainians politics through the wealth of their oligarchs is literally a conspiracy. I’d say it’s a lot more influential than a US backed org like freedom radio or what have you.

The credit goes to the US and it’s pretty well documented at this point https://kitklarenberg.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-coup-how-cia-front-laid

Ahh, yes… The national endowment fund… So powerful they could take over the government by funding… Independent Journalism?

Surely having a few people control 80% of the countrys wealth has nothing to do with people being upset at the status quo…

certain oligarchs in Ukraine decided to throw their lot with the US

Yeah, because that worked out for them…

November 2023 there were only two billionaires left in Ukraine, these being Rinat Akhmetov ($6.59 billion) and Viktor Pinchuk ($1.72 billion).[7] In November 2022 they had counted nine billionaires.[7] The February 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and its negative impact on the economy of Ukraine led to the decline in billionaires.[8]

What actually happened was that the west was not ok with Ukraine being independent and instigated a coup there.

By independent, you mean controlled by the same oligarchic system as the Russian federation?

While you are correct that Russia really didn’t need the minerals in Ukraine, they did want to maintain relations with the oligarchs that controlled the majority of Ukraine wealth. They especially wanted to maintain relations with the oligarchs like Akhmetov, Kolomoisky, Pinchuk, and Firtash. Who were responsible for mediating Russian gas sales to Ukraine.

Of course the US has their fingers in geopolitics around the globe, but giving them credit for the revolution in 2014 is a bit generous imo. I mean, when is the last time America did anything at this scale with any kind of competency?

In 2008, the combined wealth of Ukraine’s 50 richest oligarchs was equal to 85% of Ukraine’s GDP.[3] In November 2013, this number was 45% (of GDP).[

In reality this is the reason for the revolution. It’s also the same reason why America’s billionaire president is now supporting Russia. The ultra wealthy have long craved the control Russia’s oligarchy has over the state.

Yeah, Giáp is undeniably one of the greatest minds in modern military history. Not only did he defeat some of the most powerful militaries in the world, he did so in strategically different positions.

I can’t think of another commander who excelled against an occupying force as an insurgent, was successful in counter insurgency, and defeated a better armed opponent in a head to head battle.

You’re totally right, if America had a general as successful everything in the US military would be named after them, we’d never hear the end of it.

Feel like this is really belittling to the VC and PAVN, the Ho Chi Minh trail is rightfully known as one of the greatest achievements of military engineering in the 20th century.

The North Vietnamese military didn’t win because America was just that incompetent, they had arguably a couple of the best generals in modern history. I mean they defended against the armies of France, America, cambodia and China within a couple decades.

A lot of people on Lemmy are becoming reactionaries in response to .hexbear and .ml being so far left. Which unfortunately has attracted some bad actors from the far right who pretend to be moderate.

Lol, and what are you doing besides belittling other progressive people on the Internet?

What would you suggest we all do that were not already doing? Or are you just going to continue to only respond via virtue signaling?

don’t scare me and you have failed in your attempt to discourage

At what point did I try to scare you? I’m just trying to make you realize that people are upset, they just don’t see a lot of options to do anything about it.

You complaining on the Internet is not doing anything more than any other american currently upset at the government. Trying to posture yourself as some warrior of justice from your computer chair doesn’t validate belittling other people’s feelings on the matter.

Once again I ask, what makes you think you are any more upset than anyone else? What actions have you committed that makes your anger more real than others?

By doing? The government doesn’t care about protest, and anything more extreme than protest is met with extreme violence.

What actions are you doing that validates your superior sense of self worth?

What do they sell during Honkbal Hoofdklasse?

I mean yeah… Far right is kinda a big part of distinguishing authoritarian left vs authoritarian right. I think the only way you could possibly conflate the two is by ignoring economics.

It is not an appeal to authority… It’s called a rebuttal. If someone makes a claim that no real smart person can do x, an easy way to prove them wrong is to provide an example of a smart person doing x.

When I bought my house it had been abandoned for years, so I had to remodel the whole thing. When I built the counters and cabinets I accidentally built everything based on my height, so everything in the house is a good 3-4 inches higher than most houses. Everything looks fine and works fine for me, but I have to get a lot of things down for the wife, and we have to have a couple different steps stools around.

Well you see…it’s because we as a people reverse financed happiness. The previous generations spent all their good times, so they leveraged the promise of future generation’s fun to subsidize their own fun.

Then later generations whose fun was used as leverage decided they also would like a little fun, and decided to once again to borrow against an already leveraged future generation’s happiness to supplement their own.

Unfortunately you can only borrow against the future fun for so long before you are only able to finance happiness with subprime fun loans. Climate change is currently affecting the speculative value of happiness futures, which is causing the happiness bank to seize any fun collateral we had left.

Yeah, also… Relying on social media of any type to get a realistic depiction of an entire country is really really dumb.

Imagine if you moved to America because of Instagram, thinking everyone here did nothing but travel and thirst post.

Social media app users are primarily middle/upper class millennials and younger. You know the people most isolated from the general public and not in charge of anything.