sure making a new installer from scratch, whats more with web tech, is definitely easier than fixing the existing solution thats almost perfect

I really don’t want to switch US tech to a Chinese one. that country is really not any better, unless you see everyday mass surveillance and the loss of personal privacy as the way to go

nah its a lemmy app on android that didn’t get an update in ages. probably just uses a faulty markdown renderer

modern massively resource wasting GUI programming is happening on the web and mobile phones

there, I fixed it for you.

something has replaced your lessthan signs with their HTML counterparts. such a silly thing to do in a code block

That said, I’m a firm believer that doing GUIs through code is an inefficient, cumbersome, and antiquated process that should be replaced with more visual alternatives

what do you mean? I’m not familiar with Godot.

Android comes to mind where most commonly you build the UI in XML. what do you think about that?

I think we’re pretty far from that being a problem

what problems did you experience, on what hardware? works fine here

Previously it was just societal expectations but apparently it’s not that anymore.

since when is going to the dentist the only societal expectation? since when is that a societal expectation at all?

• education lot of places that force you to install spyware for the online exams
• banks that intentionally break their websites on “unsupported” systems
• workplaces where people work with computers, basically generally, becausre of ms office and supervision software

I was trying to show that android is not really Linux. it has lots of changes both to the kernel and the userspace

to a similar extent as windows is DOS

here is the low-level documentation on sleep on linux, and the ways you can initiate it: https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/pm/sleep-states.html#standby

I would try if setting mem_sleep to any of its values and then sleeping fixes the issue. read this file first to know which options are available on your system, and what is the current default.
if none of them works, try to write freeze or standby into the state file to see of any of them works, in case your system does not do sleeping by writing mem into this file.

if this is a firmware issue, hopefully one of the ways that don’t involve the firmware could work until a better solution is found.

the Arch Wiki has mostly the same info but with more (or different) details: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate

it also mentions what are your options if deep sleep (which is real sleep) does not work.

let us know what results you got

I don’t think anybody requires you to do so. you do that for your own health

so you use the integrated graphics of the ryzen, right? you can check in KDE’s info center, to make sure

windows may have a workaround for your hardware. It’s relatively common for popular hardware to not work according to specifications, unfortunately, and that results in all kinds of mundane behaviour like this

logs are mostly at 2 places.

kernel logs are read with the dmesg command. use the --follow parameter if you want it to keep printing new messages.
dmesg does not save logs to disk.

broader system logs are read with journalctl. use -f for it to keep printing. the journal records kernel messages, but it only shows them when you specifically request it. you can find the param for that in man journalctl.
the journalctl (journald actually) saves logs to disk. but if you don’t/can’t shut down the system properly, the last few messages will not be there.

some system programs log to files in /var/log/, but that’s not relevant for now.

if you switch to a VT as the other user described, you should see a terminal prompt on aback background. log in and run dmesg --follow > some_file, some_file should not be something important that already exists in the current directory. switch to another VT, log in, and run sleep. try to wake up. see if you could have waken up, and if not check the logs you piped to the file, maybe post it here for others to see.

also, what did you do after setting the deep sleep kernel param? did you rebuild the grub config, and reboot before trying to sleep with it? that change only gets applied if you do those in that order.
there’s an easier way to test different sleep modes temporarily, let me know if it would be useful

after wake up, does the numlock button change its light when you press it?

“freely”* (Terms of Service and Privacy Policy applies) using a service that you are basically expected to use by society around you

oh it is. most of us are not switching for fun, but because microsoft is extremely user hostile and exploitative

go away with that fucking mentality. microsoft really thinks they can do anything with their slaves