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I hope she crumpled it up, then reconsidered, uncrumpled, took the photo, and then presumably recrumpled it before throwing it away.

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1. Because they want to know who you are
2. Because what are you going to do about it? They’re going to make money regardless

One or the other

There’s usually one of the buttons you can hold down to mute the ads, near the bottom right in the little phalanx of buttons all around the screen.

If you find it, label it “MUTE” in marker or something, spread the word.

No idea about tools although I hope you find something.

Two related suggestions that will change your life:

1. Grunt Fund if you are making decisions about equity
2. Have people estimate the total time for a task, rigidly enforce that every man-hour spent on a project has to be allocated to one of those tasks (including the elusive but vital “oh shit we forgot” task), keep track of the coefficient between the two. It’ll be different for different people sometimes. When estimating a project, have people come up with estimates and then multiply by the coefficient. Be transparent with everyone about this system. It’ll revolutionize your project management life once people get used to it. I tried to find a blog post which explains more detail, but honestly, it’s not complicated, and Google is too shit now to find it.

The mom of a friend of mine did this when he was growing up. She was a single mom, she asked him about a guy she was seeing, he said “He’s a little weird, not sure I like him” not really meaning anything by it other than an honest answer. The guy was gone from their lives within a few days. He said he might not have given that answer if he’d realized what she was asking, it was just a snap answer based on not really knowing the guy that well.

The guy had money, seemed otherwise like a fairly decent person, but she dropped him without a second thought after that one conversation. Just gone. She did a lot of things wrong in her life but pretty much the one and only thing she was unerringly on the money about was loving her kids and making them the center whatever else was going on. She pretty much DGAF about what else was happening if there was ever a conflict.

Hey everybody, this guy’s having fun

Get him out of here

No one will know for certain, people will argue, those bots will argue, other bot accounts with the same agenda will argue, people will be manipulated, they will argue, and status quo returns…

Fair enough. I do think this happens. At the same time I don’t see that there’s a lot to be gained by being super sensitive about it, or deciding to freak out and abandon the topic because of some people arguing.

I would say that every so often, I wander into one of the lemmy.world political communities and I have exactly the reaction you are expressing here. It’s just random aggressive people, some of whom I think are deliberately trying to inflame conflict and prejudice, and they drown out anything useful. It’s a waste of time, so I don’t fuck with it. I guess the point that I’m trying to make is that not everything is that way. I would say the vast majority of things I observe on Lemmy are not that way.

Or, they’re not what I would describe that way. You seem like you’re maybe talking about something different, and accusing the conversations I like of being something deliberately designed to waste my time that I should be able to “rise above” or etc. But you also don’t want to give examples, so IDK, not much I can do with that.

So check out this example. I’ll give my take on it:

https://ponder.cat/post/2904223

I think there are some people there who are just there to stir shit. But, I would say the great majority at least of what I was paying attention to is productive. I learned about some propaganda, learned the shape of the media landscape, from some previous interactions, and then in that thread we got to talk about some other issues related to that, and work some things out.

Yeah, if you focus on the idiots exclusively, then your interaction will be unproductive. I do definitely think that yes.

By talking about ‘anything of substance’ is being framed by the bot posts, repeatedly, to manipulate. But, take a step back and you’ll realise it really isn’t ‘anything of substance’ but something to distract.

If you feel strongly enough about this topic to be concerned that people are going to be taken in by it, give some examples. By being vague and evasive about what it is you’re talking about, you make it impossible for anyone to learn about what you’re saying if you have something of value to try to make a point about, and also impossible for them to make counterpoints if they disagree with you. It just all stays in waste-of-time-land. Which is, ironically, exactly the issue you are trying to raise.

If you’re concerned that people will disagree with your categorizations, and that’ll just be so upsetting that you can’t bear the thought of doing it as a result, I feel like this whole issue may be more of a you problem than a Lemmy problem.

As for the early internet, I think you’re thinking about early pre-banhammer-FBI-raid 4-chan.

Not even close. I was talking about Usenet, early BBS culture and anonymous FTP days, then the more modern era of Napster / Slashdot / Rotten.com / the little proliferation of forums and personal sites came after those “old days,” and 4chan was created a little bit after that.

Everyone is going to have different definitions of when “early” is, but “the internet” goes back quite a long way before 4chan. 4chan and Myspace were kind of the first iteration of the massive everyone-goes-to-the-same-place omni-site model that presaged the horrors to come.

1. It’s not clear exactly what you mean, what are some examples of posts that you think are being made by bots?
2. IDK man, there is definitely a problem of misleading and disinformative posts and I will 100% agree with it as a problem, but just abandoning the idea of being able to talk about anything of substance because the disinfo is trying to fuck it up is not the answer, to me. I like being able to talk about politics / anti-capitalism / geopolitics / whatever. I don’t find it “stressful” or the way some people receive it. If they don’t want it presumably they are not subscribed to that stuff, but I really value being able to find out what’s going on in the world and talk with a wide variety and population of people about it.
3. The early internet was wild. It was not for hobbies and betterment, it was for ludicrous conspiracy theories, arguments between creationism and evolution, far flung neo-Nazis finally being able to communicate with each other, and snuff videos. That was what made it awesome. I think you are thinking of early Facebook.

Any reasoning that is mainly centered around giving people specific labels, and then making sweeping generalizations about what everyone with that label does and why it’s therefore okay to hate anyone you have chosen to apply that label to because of things some other people have done, is almost always some bullshit.

Also, yes, it’s ironic that you’re posting this under their specific meme.

Some of the most authoritarian people I come into contact with on any kind of regular basis are “leftists” on Lemmy.

The ones in real life are not like that. I feel like Reddit’s moderation model really encourages it, and some of them started really taking it to heart when they came to Lemmy which copied that same model.

My money’s on wooosh but it could be either one tbh.

Kek

Now you have spent 453 characters. Are you really still using Google? Dude, they’re lame now, everyone’s talking about it.

The people need to know

I think capitalism has a way of bribing people to make them into ridiculous caricatures of themselves, because anything authentic would be a threat to the powers that be. I can’t even rightly articulate what I’m trying to say, but the type of content that makes it big on YouTube, the way that people in TV commercials who are in the same role the viewer’s meant to occupy are presented as stupidly endearing with all these flaws on display, the way that even wildly popular content starts to get downplayed once it comes across as “political” or “overserious” or something like that. It’s all of a piece. If anyone with money is making media, it gets set up to send a message that at the end of the day needs to include “You, the viewer, are powerless and kind of stupid, make sure you stay in your role.”

Letters to type this: 288

Letters to type “chris-chan” in your address bar: 10

You’re taking extra time out of your day to let everyone know that you refuse to learn, even when learning is quicker.

What the FUCK man, to have this much motivation for something like this reads to me like a serial killer mentality

It’s also, as you noted, a condemnation of internet culture.

Chris-Chan was clearly disabled and mentally ill, and had a whole subculture of people devoted to increasing his suffering who spent significant effort on hurting him as much as possible. The whole thing is fucked, and I think people’s mercilessness to him had a lot to do with causing the final tragic ending to the whole saga including causing innocent people around him to suffer.

Are you saying I was being silly?

You might be onto something