You never outlined why you think the US is untrustworthy. I am however saying that regardless of the facts, China is just as untrustworthy if not more so.

If that’s your stance, then i can also say the same thing about the US:

“Saying the US does propaganda and censorship as like a ‘you can’t trust them’ justification is ridiculous though”.

That’s your argument now used to support my stance.

I don’t think i need to have done any of those things to make assertions about China. Saying that China doesn’t engage in propaganda spreading and censorship is peak naivety. You know you can be a communist while also criticizing its model example right?

Hell, I’ve conversed with some of the most ardent communists on here, and even they concede China engages in censorship and propaganda spreading

Sucking up to the Chinese like a true tankie. Intellectualism is being able to admit that both the Chinese and US governments are bad actors

This needs to become a thing

Saying that the Chinese government censors news from their citizens and attempts to spread propaganda about themselves to the outside world doesn’t make sense to you?

I guess I can’t because i don’t live in China, but you understand the point of my argument yet choose to play semantics. It’s fine

The government that actively tries to censor elements of news from their citizens. Yeah buddy, sure thing.

I can say the same for China

American liberals are centre-left progressives* FTFY

Neoliberals are right wingers

Well that’s a strawman if I’ve ever seen one

Google whataboutism

Don’t you have bug fixing to do rather than spreading propaganda?

Nah it’s Gen Z and their loud iPhone bell notifications.

WE’RE IN CLASS!! SILENCE YOUR PHONES DAMMIT!

No problem. I probably should have been less presumptive and snarky in my reply. I’m just tired of seeing it branded as eugenics when the situation is simply prophylaxis. Adoption is always an option for these couples, so i think it would be selfish for them to breed knowing there are risks.

On the other hand, the person you replied to is probably an antinatalist. They believe it’s morally wrong to reproduce. A radical philosophy that has its flaws, but i see the appeal.

Oh come on, not this crap again.

Imagine a situation both parents are carriers of the mutated CFTR gene that can cause cystic fibrosis. There’s a 1 in 4 chance any offspring they produce would inherit both recessive genes from the parents thereby strickening the child with this lifelong disease.

The complications for an individual with CF include: Chronic lung infections (e.g., pseudomonas aeruginosa, Staphylococcus aureus), bronchiectasis (airway widening and scarring), persistent cough and mucus production, progressive lung damage and respiratory failure, pasal polyps and sinus infections, Digestive System Complications, pancreatic insufficiency (poor digestion and malabsorption), malnutrition and vitamin deficiencies (A, D, E, K), meconium ileus (intestinal blockage in newborns), intestinal obstruction in older individuals, CF-related diabetes (CFRD), liver disease (blocked bile ducts, cirrhosis), male infertility (absence/blockage of the vas deferens), female reduced fertility (thick cervical mucus), excessive salt loss through sweat (risk of dehydration and electrolyte imbalances), low bone density, delayed growth and poor weight gain in children, anxiety and depression related to chronic illness, Increased risk of heat exhaustion, pulmonary hypertension (high blood pressure in the lungs), cor pulmonale (right-sided heart failure due to lung issues) and the eventual need for lung transplantation in severe cases.

Now imagine a genetic counselor telling the couple that is about to reproduce that they should not worry about the risks associated as it would be far worse to give into the “Nazi-praxis that is eugenics”. Wouldn’t you categorize this as insanity?

The life expectancy for someone with CF is about 40 years, but that doesn’t take into consideration all the treatments they’ll need to get there. The point is that touting simple prophylaxis and common sense as “eugenics” is incredibly naive and ignorant to the realities of the real world. There’s no reason to enable the suffering of children who could’ve otherwise been spared the hassle because you want to avoid eugenics. This type of extreme thinking must be shunned.

They’re probably referring to having a child when it is genetically predisposed to abnormalities due to whatever genetics the parents have.

Too young for a wife

Ain’t no way you just correct bro to ‘brother’