Did these vets vote for Trump?
Serving in the military is sometimes seen as an employer of last resort.
I suppose it might be more comparable to welfare: the government gives them money even though these recipients produce little or no productive work.
It might be a POV in the song.
others:
“They call me the breeze.”
“Some people call me the space cowboy … gangster of love …”
I figure it either didn’t happen, or if it happened, it was rare and minor.
I was watching a YT video about the movie that said about as much—and IIUC even Jane Fonda stood up for the vets.
America’s fouled up its war effort enough already.
Sending in millions of angry Gen Z to Iran and giving them arms would foul it up even more.
Rambo: First Blood | Emotional Scene | Rambo’s Breakdown
https://youtu.be/PtWHgkNH5yU?t=43
Those maggots called him “baby killer”.
They can be quite fearless.
I was eating some chicken outside.
A yellow jacket buzzed around.
So I held a little teeny-tiny piece of it for it.
Things seem to be okay; but then I felt it.
Was it a sting or was it a bite?
Maybe it mistook my thumb for some of the chicken—chicken is often greasy.
It wasn’t really painful, but I decided it wore out it’s welcome, so I probably flicked it away.
I don’t think I ever saw it again.
At another time, a few came through my window.
So I put some syrup on a cap to see what will happen.
A few more flew in.
They drank it up—they sure seem to like syrup a lot.
I guess after they had their fill, the flew away—“buzzed off” if you will.
JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR ( The Temple - 1973 60fps ) HD
https://youtu.be/WjR6nHhc6Rg?list=RDWjR6nHhc6Rg&t=114 (cued)
Youtube comment:
“This is the most biblically accurate scene in the film. I know Jesus screamed at them in falsetto!”
I was thinking of them. 😁🙂
The word was “grandparents”.
The generation wasn’t specified.
I suppose such grandparents might have been/be members of the “Greatest Generation”, such as Hayden; or “Silent Generation” (which included/includes Chomsky, MLK, Gloria Steinem, Lee Harvey Oswald, Frank Zappa, Larry Ellison, Ted Kaczynski, or Biden); Baby Boomers; or possibly even Gen-Xers (a few might have grandchildren who post on Lemmy).
Though to be fair, the reference to WWII might whittle it down to the first 2, and maybe add the wp:Lost Generation (1833 to 1900).
Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate the effort; but as a (decent) rebuttal to this would involve more reading on my part, it might take a while to reply to it—but I intend to.
Until then, have a nice day. 🙂
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The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance.
They kind of acted like allies, particularly with regards to Poland, which they split between themselves, and before you cite that it was a preemptive strike—I suppose a sort of “the Nazis-will-invade-Poland-before-us-so-we-might-as-well-have-a-chunk-of-it-right-now-to-fight-there-rather-in-our-beloved-Soviet-Motherland”—there are things like the wp:Katyn massacre. Again, Stalin’s purges hurt the Soviet’s ability to counter the Nazis, and I’ll add maybe scared more Germans into voting for Nazis.
The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French.
It might be due to bad PR: while Hitler was having his Nuremberg rally and the Berlin Olympics, Stalin was having his purges.
The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
Agreed, but both Communists and Nazis were also anti-liberal—a lot of Germans were liberal—but I suppose the KPD weren’t really into coalition-building with liberals and/or democrats in those days.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, …, It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.
Yes, but I don’t think the others involved carving up other countries, with the exception of Czechoslovakia, and the idiot British PM who was responsible for that resigned soon after it backfired, while after Molotov-Ribbentrop, Stalin continued to rule until his death in 1953.
Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.
and some Americans believed in continued neutrality for similar reasons.
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis.
and kudos to the people of the USSR.
The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis,
I presume it was implied.
When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior.
Presumably they hit the areas defended not by the Nazis but by the Poles—i.e. the eastern part.
Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle?
wp:Poland–Russia relations#Soviet Union
For the next two decades, Poland was seen by the Soviet Union as an enemy and, along with Germany (under both the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich), as a “politically illegitimate” state created by the Allied Powers during World War I at the expense of Germany and Russia.[15][16] During the interwar period Joseph Stalin feared a coordinated Polish-Japanese two-front invasion. Numerous residents of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic also fled across the border to Poland in protest of the First Five-Year Plan’s collectivization policies and the Holodomor.[16] The Soviet Union supported subversive activities of the Communist Party of Poland, the Communist Party of Western Belarus, and the Communist Party of Western Ukraine. Poland in turn sent secret agents across the border to encourage rebellion against Soviet rule, which caused Stalin to begin to associate Poles in the Soviet Union with nationalist dissident and terrorist groups. The NKVD murdered 111,091 Poles during the Polish Operation and deported many families to Kazakhstan. Fears of a Polish invasion and external espionage also gave justification to the general internal repression of the Great Purge in the 1930s. Nevertheless, the USSR and Poland concluded a formal Non-Aggression Pact in 1932.[16]
So I guess Moscow and Warsaw weren’t getting along.
wp:Soviet invasion of Poland#Soviet invasion of Poland
The Soviets demanded the right to enter these countries in case of a security threat.[50] Talks on military matters, that had begun in mid-August, quickly stalled over the topic of Soviet troop passage through Poland in the event of a German attack. British and French officials pressured the Polish government to agree to the Soviet terms.[51][52] However, Polish officials bluntly refused to allow Soviet troops to enter Polish territory upon expressing grave concerns that once Red Army troops had set foot on Polish soil, they might decline demands to leave.[53] Thereupon Soviet officials suggested that Poland’s objections be ignored and that the tripartite agreements be concluded.[54] The British refused the proposal, fearing that such a move would encourage Poland to establish stronger bilateral relations with Germany.[55]
So a country that was partially-at-least ruled by the Kremlin, didn’t want soldiers ruled by the Kremlin in their country again.
I just checked this out:
(my bold)
He served in the Imperial Russian Army during World War I, and in 1918, joined the Red Army and fought with distinction during the Russian Civil War. Rokossovsky rose to hold senior Red Army commands by 1937, when he fell victim to Joseph Stalin’s Great Purge and was branded a traitor, imprisoned and tortured. After Soviet failures in the Winter War, Rokossovsky was released from prison in 1940 and returned to command of an army corps.
What was this Polish commie doing in a commie prison?
more evidence of Stalin’s idiocy.
Churchill did not take the Nazis as a serious threat, and was horrified when FDR and Stalin made a joke about executing Nazis. Churchill starved millions to death in India in preventable ways, and had this to say about it:
I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.
I’ll have to check that out. Maybe I’ve overestimated him; and yes, he at least seems to have been genocidal, though such would give fuel (might have given fuel) to non-racist isolationists in the US and neutral European countries, such as those in Switzerland and Ireland.
Meanwhile, the soviet famine in the 1930s was the last major famine outside of wartime in the USSR, because collectivized farming achieved food security in a region where famine was common. As a consequence, life expectancy doubled:
anti-Communist ≠ necessarily pro-Tsarist
After Stalin died and Khrushchev took over, things seemed to improve.
Under capitalism—however regulated—Ukraine—IIUC—is a food exporter; though the the Kremlin is still making them suffer.
The soviets knew war was coming, and so bought more time to prepare.
Besides invading Poland and fighting the Poles, I wonder what did the Soviets do in those 22⅓ months to prepare that they didn’t do in the several years previous.
Not sure what including an example of the social fascism of the SPD at the end there is supposed to do for your point.
(my bold)
The KPD under Thälmann’s leadership regarded the Social Democratic Party (SPD) as an adversary and the party adopted the position that the social democrats were “social fascists”. Both the SPD and KPD were already previously split on many key issues, however, this new stance clarified it was impossible for the two parties to form a united front against the Nazi Party.
Thälmann was leader of the paramilitary Roter Frontkämpferbund. After the Nazi regime began, he was arrested by the Gestapo in 1933 and held in solitary confinement for eleven years. Stalin and Vyacheslav Molotov originally sought Thälmann’s release;[3] after the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, efforts to that end were abandoned,[4] while Thälmann’s party rival Walter Ulbricht ignored requests to plead on his behalf. Thälmann was shot dead on Adolf Hitler’s personal order in Buchenwald in 1944.
I hope he died with the consolation that at least maybe many “social fascists” were also executed by the Nazis.
Without contesting your reply, I think the reference was about the individuals soldiers and those other Americans who fought the fascists, including Nazis.
The expulsions don’t seem to be too harsh, but otherwise fair enough.
Despite this, the affected specialists and their families were doing well compared to citizens of the Soviet Union and the Soviet Zone, apart from the suffering of deportation and isolation. The specialists earned more than their Soviet counterparts.
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After this period of intellectual quarantine had passed, the specialists returned to Germany between 1950 and 1958, the majority of them before 1954.[5] Before leaving, they were taught to keep their years in the Soviet Union secret. Some specialists received chairs in GDR universities (e.g., Werner Albring, Waldemar Wolff), became an East German party official like Erich Apel.
I checked out the article on this guy:
He was tireless in his work of calculation, measuring and modelling.[6] He seems to have made a good impression, since in August 1940 he was relieved of all further obligations regarding military service. In November 1940 he was appointed to the position of plant engineer and assistant to the facility director.[1] He was totally uninterested in politics, never joining the party, and regarded by colleagues as a dedicated engineer, body and soul.[6]
…
Even if Apel had nothing to do with setting up and running the vast deadly forced labour infrastructure, as the engineer responsible for the rockets he was naturally associated with it.
…
In June 1954, already a junior government minister, Apel became a candidate for party membership. Membership was granted in March 1957.[1] Slightly more than one year later, in July 1958, he became a candidate for Central Committee membership.[9] In July 1960 Apel became one of approximately 112 members of the powerful Party Central Committee.[1][10]
Some people think conversions are possible, I suppose.
I’d say freer than Iranian ones, then and now.
wp:Ruhollah Khomeini#Democracy
Khomeini also wrote that since Muslims must support a government based on Islamic law, Sharia-based government will always have more popular support in Muslim countries than any government based on elected representatives.[259]
As for leftists who support the ISLAMIC Republic:
wp:Iranian Revolution#The 1981–1982 massacre
(my bold)
Between June 1981 and March 1982, the theocratic regime carried out the largest political massacre in Iranian history, targeting communists, socialists, social democrats, liberals, monarchists, moderate Islamists, and members of the Baha’i faith as part of the Iranian Cultural Revolution decreed by Khomeini on 14 June 1980 with the intent of “purifying” Iranian society of non-Islamic elements.[250] Between June 1981 and June 1982, Amnesty International documented 2,946 executions, with several thousand more killed in the next two years according to the anti-government guerilla People’s Mujahedin of Iran.[251] More recently, Rastyad Collective has verified the identities of more than 3,400 political dissidents who were executed between June 1981 and March 1982.[252][253] These dissidents were sentenced to death by the Islamic Revolutionary Courts during show trials in more than eighty-five cities across the country on charges of spreading “corruption on Earth” (ifsad-fi-alarz), “espionage”, “terrorism”, or “enmity against Allah” (Moharebeh).[250] Most victims of the 1981 massacre were young activists aged eleven to twenty-four. These activists were either high school students or had recently graduated from universities in Iran and abroad. During the massacre, hundreds of minors were also subjected to arbitrary detention, torture, and summary executions on ideologically motivated charges of ifsad-fi-alarz and moharebeh by the revolutionary courts.[252][250][254] In July 2024, The Special Rapporteur published a landmark UN Report on the 1981 massacre and categorised the atrocity crimes committed in 1981 and 1982 as genocide and crimes against humanity. In this report, the Rapporteur called for the establishment of an independent and international accountability mechanism.[255]
I want to note that the grandparents of the modern day Americans saved us from oppression and fascism
If you’re talking about WW2 then you’re wrong
Like many of his contemporaries, he was an American who had/has modern day grandchildren, and probably did more to fight fascism than many Lemmy leftists.
They engaged in mass murder; most knew/know post-Vietnam War history (or should know it before joining); and many voted for Trump, and/or Dubya Bush.