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  • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.world•Doctors
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    11 days ago

    I think they were more concerned about a very small number of women being wrong, not all women.

    Which is even worse in my opinion, as a very unlikely problem (1/500 pregnant women didn’t know they were pregnant) affecting a small number of patients (~9% of women visiting the ER are pregnant) is more important than all the reasons not to do a pregnancy test. Some rough math says that’s about 1/5000 women that visit the ER will not know that they are pregnant. We’re administering 5000 tests to catch 1 pregnancy. Low-end estimate puts the cost of administering those tests at 500,000 dollars. Half a million spent on a 1/5000 chance, that someone does not know they are pregnant.

    4,999 women will have their care delayed to save 1 statistically likely fetus. 500 of those women will get a false result on their test, creating more delays and issues with their care.

    We are disrespecting women’s health so fucking much on the off chance that there may be an unknown potential person in them, it’s ridiculous. And those numbers even assume that the 1/5000 person wouldn’t opt for the test just to be sure when prompted.


  • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.world•Doctors
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    11 days ago

    From the Wikipedia page about a Strawman fallacy…

    A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction

    Your literal point that I copy/pasted as a quote in my reply.

    I don’t see how collecting less data benefits patients

    My point, copy/pasted from my comment.

    It takes time and effort to collect and consider that data. You’ll note that we don’t do full body MRI scans of everyone at the ER or when they visit their PCP, and that benefits patients because it reduced costs, respects their time, and makes their Dr. more available.

    I am literally providing a very compelling reason on why we collect less data in order to benefit patients.

    I refute your ability to understand a strawman fallacy.

    After reading your whole comment, I have low confidence your ability to construct an argument, and you seem to repeatedly rely on misunderstanding (or mischaracterizing) of my arguments and the fundemental fallacies you’ve accused me of using.

    Rather than dive into your gish gallop, I would ask that you demonstrate your commitment to arguing in good faith by apologizing for accusing me of creating the first “strawman”, and admitting that you either did not understand my argument, did not understand what a strawman is, or admitting that you accused me while intentionally knowing that it was based on false pretenses.






  • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.world•Doctors
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    11 days ago

    I don’t see how collecting less data benefits patients.

    It takes time and effort to collect and consider that data. You’ll note that we don’t do full body MRI scans of everyone at the ER or when they visit their PCP, and that benefits patients because it reduced costs, respects their time, and makes their Dr. more available. There is a tradeoff to collecting that data, sure, you can argue that administering a pregnancy test is fairly short and consequence free interaction. However, the over-the-counter tests are advertised as “99% accurate” so about 1/100 women are going to get a false results, complicating the care for a lot more people that the 1 in 500 undetected pregnancies.

    It also shows preferential treatment for a hypothetical person over the actual person seeking immediate care. Imagine being in pain, confident that you aren’t pregnant, not giving a flying fuck if you are, and the people you are paying hundred of dollars an hour to help you are slow rolling your care because of potential consequences for a statistically unlikely fetus. You would rightly be very fucking pissed off about it.

    Asking a woman if she is pregnant should happen before anything is done that will affect her health if she is, and the testing should be opt-in, instead of opt-out with a slew of lawyers and waivers.


  • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.world•Doctors
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    11 days ago

    Really, we should just remove the mandatory pregnancy tests before giving medical care to women, and instead inform them before a procedure, that can affect a pregnancy, what the risks are and offer a free pregnancy test before scheduling the procedure.



  • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.world•Doctors
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    11 days ago

    I’m offended they don’t do a sperm count and motility check before my routine medical appointments. X-rays can damage them, and there seems to be no priority to safeguard my ability to procreate before my necessary and unreleated medical treatment is initiated.



  • I have an air quality monitor in my living room, and it knows when the stove is on in the kitchen, even if I have the windows open. It’s debatable how much of an effect it has on your health, but overall, we should stop burning fossil fuels wherever and whenever possible. Ditching my gas appliances in my house is high on my list of things to spend money on, even though it’s probably going to be ~10K to get them all switched over.