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MooseBoys@lemmy.world to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

I'm not even sure I want to know

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MooseBoys@lemmy.world to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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    You’re just engaging in sophistry here. LPR and DPR are two well defined regions of the current state known as Ukraine. This is exactly the same situation as Yugoslavia. Every argument you’ve made equally applies to regions of Yugoslavia that separated. Russia just followed NATO precedent intervening on the behalf of the regions whose independence was recognized by Russia. You can keep doing mental gymnastics here all you like, but that’s the reality of the situation.

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        What are you even talking about here, you’re saying there is no history of the people who were part of Yugoslavia?

        The only one uncritically accepting imperialist propaganda here is you buddy. You’re the one who is supporting literal self described fascist. Maybe do some self reflection on that.

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            You’re just showing complete and utter ignorance of Slavic history here. However, even in your ramblings you admit that people currently living in LRP and DPR (which you evidently can’t spell even), are predominantly of Russian ethnicity and hence want to be part of Russia.

            Im not supporting any fascists but you are backing Putin who has an undeniable history of imperialism and fascism.

            You very clearly support a fascist regime that took power in a violent coup in Ukraine in 2014. Here’s western media reporting on your friends

            • https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
            • https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
            • https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
            • https://www.internationalmagz.com/articles/conversation-with-dmitri-kovalevich
            • https://www.mintpressnews.com/volodymyr-zelensky-secret-police-hunted-down-opposition-anatoly-shariy/280200/

            and here’s what they’ve been up to since 2014 as even CNN reported at the time

            • https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
            • https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions

            You’re a fash simp plain and simple.

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                you openly ally with literal fascists, I have nothing more to say to you

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                    No, Ukraine was invaded because of NATO expansion. In fact, Stoltenberg has now publicly acknowledged that Putin made clear to NATO in a draft treaty before the war that it could avert it if NATO agreed not to keep enlarging. But NATO rejected the offer.

                    Then lastly on Sweden. First of all, it is historic that now Finland is member of the Alliance. And we have to remember the background. The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

                    The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

                    So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

                    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm#:~:text=The background was that President,condition for not invade Ukraine

                    So maybe stop lying and stop supporting the fascist regime in Ukraine that your government installed there in a violent coup.

                    These are the people you are allied with, and if that doesn’t give you a pause then what else is there to say about you as a person https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TojapQRUhzs

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              https://www.reuters.com/world/cuba-arrests-17-trafficking-young-men-fight-russia-ukraine-2023-09-08/

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              lmfaoooo

              you’ll literally shill anything. Anyone who reads this knows the shit you’re selling, they ain’t buying lol

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